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this ^^^^^
I’d rather see the situation for what it actually is rather than continuous wishful thinking

We failed to engage or deal properly with this man for years and look where we are now.

The open sores of Donbas and to a lesser extent Crimea were left to fester and have resulted in this explosion.
 
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I’d rather see the situation for what it actually is rather than continuous wishful thinking


lollollol

Zelenski is finished

Will be replaced within a week

its a total take-over.

this will be over in a week. thankfully.

mercifully this looks like it will be over soon

Russian troops openly walking around Kiev now

Zelenski looking for a way out now

Zelenski saying he is ready to surrender

Phew

They are giving the Ukrainians the opportunity to see reason
 
I’d rather see the situation for what it actually is rather than continuous wishful thinking

We failed to engage or deal properly with this man for years and look where we are now

This is a consequence of over-engagement, not under-engagement. After MH17 and how he tried to kill Skirpal he should have been ostracised then, not led to believe there was nothing he would do that could ever result in facing consequences.

Instead we continued to pretend it was just Vlad, he doesn’t mean it really, what a crazy guy etc etc. If we don’t change our politics the people he’s compromised, or the useful idiots such as yourself, will no doubt pipe up a few weeks / months after this ends and start claiming it’s time we engage with him properly now.

We should treat him as the enemy he is until he, and his regime, are gone. Anyone associated with him, who has taken his money or facilitated his rise (politicians, journalists, lawyers, financial services types) needs to be at best looked at properly and probably removed for now so that they aren’t in a position to help him in the future.
 
More familiar with US financial stock marlet than global so wouldn’t like to guess on how long Russian stock market will shut it for - New York stock exchange was closed for 4 months in 1914 but in more modern times they have closed it for much shorter times eg 2 days after Sept 11th.

@Zatara, @Yid4life and @SerenityNigh - any idea?

Never traded forex but iirc there isn’t really a centralized market like stocks and trading is done 24hours.

Interesting question! Not really sure. Russian ETFs (trade in U.S) are still tradable. RSX traded 50mn shares on Monday (3x normal volume) and dumped 30%.
 
How long will it take to get people over the border? Is it possible to just let them across the border and process them there so at least they are safe?

Stop the war Russia, force this regime out of power before more madness is committed.
Thats just not how it works over there. Oppressed people on a permanent diet of propaganda will not be rising up- you can't think of them like your own country and assign the same values
 
Thats just not how it works over there. Oppressed people on a permanent diet of propaganda will not be rising up- you can't think of them like your own country and assign the same values
Don’t bother mate

No one here listens

They think putin will lose the war and be removed within 48 hours
 
This is a consequence of over-engagement, not under-engagement. After MH17 and how he tried to kill Skirpal he should have been ostracised then, not led to believe there was nothing he would do that could ever result in facing consequences.

Instead we continued to pretend it was just Vlad, he doesn’t mean it really, what a crazy guy etc etc. If we don’t change our politics the people he’s compromised, or the useful idiots such as yourself, will no doubt pipe up a few weeks / months after this ends and start claiming it’s time we engage with him properly now.

We should treat him as the enemy he is until he, and his regime, are gone. Anyone associated with him, who has taken his money or facilitated his rise (politicians, journalists, lawyers, financial services types) needs to be at best looked at properly and probably removed for now so that they aren’t in a position to help him in the future.
Spot on ?
 
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