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[dublinbluenose]

Hegseth on the sauce again?

 

[Toffeepot]

Hegseth on the sauce again?

naw. He just got the ol' clip round the ear for stealing Trump's thunder

I'm a bit sick of Americans calling their President the leader of the free world

One positive we may see from Trump alienating US allies is an end to this irritating American exceptionalism

 

[davek]

Trump has just had a press conference and said he's going to push for Russia to get its place at the G7 again.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Trump has just had a press conference and said he's going to push for Russia to get its place at the G7 again.

Canada
France
Germany
Italy
Japan
uk
uncle spam

Japan is currently betrothed to the u.s.
Canada probably has some issue, especially recently.
France are still smarting the aukus deal. (and the Paris agreement)
Italy is bankrupt.
Germany suddenly makes sense for meddling with.
uk steel has been tariffed (?) even though Port Talbot is junked. Was this performative, a tariff on nothing so a tariff could be shown to be applied?

Earlier today the inclusive European dream was mentioned, could France, Germany, Canada and finally the uk opt out of the revised G8? maybe Italy also.

Leaves the u.s Japan and russia to play pattycake. brics will be pleased.

 

[davek]

Canada
France
Germany
Italy
Japan
uk
uncle spam

Japan is currently betrothed to the u.s.
Canada probably has some issue, especially recently.
France are still smarting the aukus deal. (and the Paris agreement)
Italy is bankrupt.
Germany suddenly makes sense for meddling with.
uk steel has been tariffed (?) even though Port Talbot is junked. Was this performative, a tariff on nothing so a tariff could be shown to be applied?

Earlier today the inclusive European dream was mentioned, could France, Germany, Canada and finally the uk opt out of the revised G8? maybe Italy also.

Leaves the u.s Japan and russia to play pattycake. brics will be pleased.

 

[Rita_Poon]

With Hong Kong effectively absolved (at least for now) (did I mean dissolved there?) does a strengthened brics pact see the dollar go under the bus for international payment methods, and the wealthiest oil producers decide how bills get paid? I mention Hong Kong because it is/was a financial capital that operated in that specific time zone. Could finance be moved out of London? To Germany maybe? Be the perfect time for it, blame Reeves and Starmzy, international turmoil, the rise to prominence of hard working and productive Germany...
Can't see France batting an eye to world finance going through a Euro Union ally.

Precarious position for the uk, maintain the special relationship (getting screwed first and maybe kissed) or throw the lot in with the uk's historic enemies.

What a mess.

 

[davek]

With Hong Kong effectively absolved (at least for now) (did I mean dissolved there?) does a strengthened brics pact see the dollar go under the bus for international payment methods, and the wealthiest oil producers decide how bills get paid? I mention Hong Kong because it is/was a financial capital that operated in that specific time zone. Could finance be moved out of London? To Germany maybe? Be the perfect time for it, blame Reeves and Starmzy, international turmoil, the rise to prominence of hard working and productive Germany...
Can't see France batting an eye to world finance going through a Euro Union ally.

Precarious position for the uk, maintain the special relationship (getting screwed first and maybe kissed) or throw the lot in with the uk's historic enemies.

What a mess.

Going to be a trade war for sure.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Going to be a trade war for sure.

It seems at least to me to be a war about influence, soft power, finance, the means to start and end conflict in resource rich areas, like in deposit rich zones in Africa or Eastern Europe (Ukraine).

There's a big game of brinksmanship been started, and the bully that has started it has his best pal and collaborator at desk number 1 in the white house.

"I'll impress him, I'll take Greenland, and Canada, and the gulf of Mexico" - "hahahahaa".

When u.s justice made trump above the law, they created a bigger monster than they already had on their hands. And it turns out he's not the wealthiest man in the room. What does justice do to 'paedo guy'?

The rule of law is over, at least in the minds of modern Caligula's. It's why so many are flocking to their herald, best onside with the winner than under the thumb.

Basic human cowardice.

 

[davek]

It seems at least to me to be a war about influence, soft power, finance, the means to start and end conflict in resource rich areas, like in deposit rich zones in Africa or Eastern Europe (Ukraine).

There's a big game of brinksmanship been started, and the bully that has started it has his best pal and collaborator at desk number 1 in the white house.

"I'll impress him, I'll take Greenland, and Canada, and the gulf of Mexico" - "hahahahaa".

When u.s justice made trump above the law, they created a bigger monster than they already had on their hands. And it turns out he's not the wealthiest man in the room. What does justice do to 'paedo guy'?

The rule of law is over, at least in the minds of modern Caligula's. It's why so many are flocking to their herald, best onside with the winner than under the thumb.

Basic human cowardice.

The Americans are doing what the British did with their empire. Playing everyone other major power off against each other, bullying the natives for the best resource...and they had the Royal Navy to back it all up.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[COYBL25]

Someone needs to take out Trump and Putin before it’s too late.

 

[Rita_Poon]

"DMZ policed by a coalition of the willing".

5% gdp for defence being talked up, 2% has had it, trying to secure a 3% catch all. Great business imposing spending demands on defence when a lot of what gets bought is produced by yourself.

The nato club is about to get much more serious or dissolve.

 

[tsubaki]

"DMZ policed by a coalition of the willing".

5% gdp for defence being talked up, 2% has had it, trying to secure a 3% catch all. Great business imposing spending demands on defence when a lot of what gets bought is produced by yourself.

The nato club is about to get much more serious or dissolve.

The increased equipment levels have to come from European sources (EU members, us and candidates like Türkiye) wherever possible. I mean, if these days say nothing else it’d they the US is going to be no more reliable as a supplier than it is an ally.

Common equipment (locally manufactured) and procurement will help with the costs, as will a degree of state control and support (like paying for excess production capacity).

 

[Rita_Poon]

The increased equipment levels have to come from European sources (EU members, us and candidates like Türkiye) wherever possible. I mean, if these days say nothing else it’d they the US is going to be no more reliable as a supplier than it is an ally.

Common equipment (locally manufactured) and procurement will help with the costs, as will a degree of state control and support (like paying for excess production capacity).

Won't the chips be Taiwanese and American? I (probably wrongly) was under the impression that the advanced technological aspect of upgrading and upping production to meet 21st century requirement would see heavy reliance on the American defence production line. We're way past brass casings and gunpowder now.