Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Cecil]

Accepted. But as you well know or maybe you don’t Iran will be targeted.

Of course they will. It’s not as if Israel needs much of an excuse to kick off on its neighbours anyway. The whole situation is awful, from the oppression of Palestine to the loss of innocents on both sides, par for the course in this sad sorry world we currently live in.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Of course they will. It’s not as if Israel needs much of an excuse to kick off on its neighbours anyway. The whole situation is awful, from the oppression of Palestine to the loss of innocents on both sides, par for the course in this sad sorry world we currently live in.

It is awful. Loss of life will be great and will continue long after we cease to exist. The tempo is increasing no matter what side you’re on. Gaza will be like most of Southern Ukraine uninhabitable with constant stress and struggle.
Israel has the means to light a powder keg that the West can not stop.

 

[Cecil]

It is awful. Loss of life will be great and will continue long after we cease to exist. The tempo is increasing no matter what side you’re on. Gaza will be like most of Southern Ukraine uninhabitable with constant stress and struggle.
Israel has the means to light a powder keg that the West can not stop.

To be fair, the west put the powder down to ignite the keg in the first place. I lament the future our children are due to inherit.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

To be fair, the west put the powder down to ignite the keg in the first place. I lament the future our children are due to inherit.

Very true. Similarities to India Pakistan come to mind. King makers thinking they are in the right to make borders but long standing ethnic roots are hard to be convinced to be repositioned. Reminds me of Putins thinking as well.

 

[Lineker]

The taliban wants to join in...that leeds some legitimacy, doesn't it.

 

[Connor]

Oh shut up

One odious ghoul, her

 

[ChesterBlue]

Everyone loses here, literally everyone. Innocent civilians on both sides with lose their lives and people all over the world will just blindly choose sides without any nuanced thought into “maybe in like 99.9% of wars, there are no “good guys”.

 

[Zatara]

Yep seen some of the footage earlier. Vile. I know I’m probs guna get some pelters from the Palestine flag wavers here, but their actions this morning are unacceptable and they deserve everything that Isreal will do to them.

Correct. Rather than flag wavers, perhaps supporters of terrorism would be more appropriate?

I think that assumes the people who’ve put that country in the position it now finds itself in have the capability of making decisions that will could end this horror.

The Israelis have spent decades reducing Palestine to an impoverished, overpopulated and radicalised mass. All the while they’ve eliminated the slow, the stupid and the unlucky who take up arms and taught the rest how to hide themselves, their arms and their plans. The end result is this calamity - and there is no other word for it

Finally, I think there’s no way Hamas would have done this without knowing they’ve got further meaningful support of some kind or another that would prevent the sort of retaliation some people are calling for / demanding. I mean, with the state the world is in now the vast majority of countries and populations are not going to stand by whilst the Israelis carry out a genocide of the Strip.

False.

Israel won't mind this at all. Another excuse to steal more land.

False.

In other conflicts, many of them recent, one side puts a couple of men in or near a hospital in the hope of attracting enemy fire to give them a propaganda win & fire up their own side to greater efforts.

These terrorists are well known for it.

Israel are the aggressor though. The Palestinians are reacting to the aggressor, they aren’t the aggressors.

False.

And Israel is a terrorist, apartheid state no matter how you dress it up

False.

Mate - if you’d been there and seen it for yourself - the absolute squalor and oppression that the Palestinians live in then maybe you’d look twice at this and maybe see it from another perspective.

it’s not black and white - it’s multiple shades of grey.

Thing is now Israel will retaliate with overwhelming and disproportionate force and level large swathes of Gaza before sending in its army to arrest every fighting age male they find.

And so it goes on

What would you say would be proportionate?

Yes

From Russia with hate.

Looks like the Palestinians have entered Israeli cities. The main advantage the Israelis have is Air Force which will involve blasting their own cities.

The Ukros may be ok with firing on their own towns not so sure the Israelis will?

I see you support both Russia and a terrorist organisation.

No it's not. Hamas is a terrorist organisation, though. Their people will never have their own country as long as Hamas is around.

Correct.

They should get involved - but that will be purely diplomatic interventions.

Israel will take bloody revenge - nothing will stop that. As for what happens after that - seems to me that we’ve been at this point so many times and nothing really happens to alleviate the suffering of the Palestinians.

I really can’t see a way out of this spiral for any side. The hatred and divisions run too deep.

There needs to be a focused attack on Hamas, which would be extremely difficult as the civilians no doubt would be fearful of any Hamas retailiations for anyone aiding the Israelis.

 

[Zatara]

I cannot see this Israel regime giving two hoots about them.

It seems as though Russia, China and Iran have some part to play, if not already in this.

All three countries are an axis of evil.

Israel as a state can only survive by being an apartheid state. It would be overwhelmed in every other instance, culturally, politically, demographically etc.

Totally false.

Thing is now Muslims across the region are calling for holy war against Israel. If Hezbollah and their Iranian handlers fancy getting in on the action then it could go south pretty quick.

The situation now requires calmness and restraint from Israel - sadly I don’t see that happening

When you say "Muslims" i think those countries leaders will be (as always) looking for distractions through onshore propaganda instead of fixing their own countries.

It seems Russia have through Palestine under a bus here. The recent mission to Russia and agreement to attack the west, Russia has most likely calculated that a new front in Israel will erode GOP support for Ukraine. If things escalate China will be hovering over the attack button against Taiwan. Really dangerous times being pushed by Putin and Xi.

Russia, China and Iran.

I’d say it’s more likely to be the Iranians that supported and helped Hamas plan this.

Of course we are already seeing the Russian propaganda channels salivating and lapping this up as it will probably play out in their favour.

If they did indeed play a part in this then all Ru forces in Syria suddenly become legitimate targets for the IDF.

101%

What a tit

I see you support terrorism.

My thinking is along the lines that Iran are now fundamental to Russias war machine and the war in Ukraine. Iran and Russia are also aligned in Syria and I can see the Russians listening to Iran about there arm in the Israel/Haza region, Hamas. Previous restraints might now be removed.

Exactly.

 

[Zatara]

TBF some of the stories coming out sound like there was an awful lot of complacency along the border - one report said there had been an open air rave close to the fence and they’d been hit whilst partying.

Innocent civilians shot and kidnapped.

Simchat Torah festival.

Ah yes, Israel doing their usual trick of firing warning/not warning shots towards buildings that foreign journalists use *note the towers and dishes on the roof of the struck building*

All to get them out of the way so they can continue their usual business of shelling schools and hospitals.

False.

I think it was an Israeli public holiday, lots of that stuff going on

Shimchat Torah i believe. Religious festival.

Awful

Im not sure why they call a terrorist attack war.

No reports of number of israeli civilians kidnapped yet.

It will rise. Israel has allegedly cut off all power to Gaza and will launch air and artillery attacks shortly, with an intense barrage expected throughout the night,

Once Israel has called its reservists up, it'll all go very Pete Tong.

Indeed.

It depends on how you measure 'victory', the Israelis measure it in land grabs and the murders of Palestinian children and women. My understanding is the Palestinians measure it by continued resistance despite the war crimes and horrors of illegal occupation (as deemed by the UN and other agencies) they continue to live under.
There is an absolutely huge irony of the way Israel 'deals' with'the Palestinian' problem, not just by rhetoric but by daily action.

The only irony here is the absurdity of this post soon after a terrorist group murdered and kidnapped the innocent citizens of Israel.

I don't blame them for fighting back, everyone would in their place, but slaughtering civilians on the streets, desecrating bodies, lynching prisoners etc... is not gonna buy them public sympathy.

Even people who sympathize with them and their cause can't publicly defend them when those kind of images come in force. They will never beat powerful pro-Israeli propaganda (in the West) but they don't need to give them tools.

What would be proportionate?

They will not attack Iran directly (or vice versa) but you can expect some "mysterious explosion" or assassination soon over there. In same way Iran fund and train Hamas and other such organizations in Syria and Lebanon to attack Israel. Its classic proxy war.

Precisely

A guy in Gaza on BBC news currently talking a lot of sense pro Palestine. The woman presenter hates it.. bloody brainwashed useless BBC newsreader..

Sounds like someone is brainwashed, thats for sure.

BBC shouldnt have these pro terrorism supporters on air.

 

[Zatara]

I really, really doubt that. All of the region (with the exception of Iran) has come out and said this must not escalate further, to the EU, the US and anyone who is listening. The EU (or Borrell at least) has agreed with that analysis. They know what a slaughter in Gaza will provoke.



the man is the worst leader they have ever had, and much good would come of him facing justice

What do you expect others e.g Russia, China and Iran to say (who are the real players here) ?

Nothing will have happened on this scale without the knowledge and support of at least 1 of those 3.

Has this not happened before ? This is Iran backed Hamas wilfully attacking Israel. Thousands of rockets, major incursions, slaughter of innocents. Unfortunately we know what will happen next, the poor Palestinians just living their lives will now be subjected to massive retaliation. Meanwhile the swine in Iran who initiated this, in order to spike any Israeli/Saudi deal will just sit back and watch…thousands will now die because of these people…..

Exactly though


Is this not classed as a 'hate crime' ?

 

[Zatara]

So the parades in the streets in Tehran was for their Football team? Pete is correct in his assumption Iran has their hands all over this.

As always.

Do you really feel this provides justification for releasing thousands (between 2,500 and 5,000) of dumb missiles into Israel, the incursions and taking of Israeli hostages and the indiscriminate slaughter, house by house of innocents. Iran has always provided Hamas both with money and arms and this has its fingerprints all over it. But I’m sure we will find out over the next few days after even more innocents on both sides have died, and for what ?….

Correct.

Israeli PR machine has gone into pure overdrive. What it has done is convince everyone that this akin to Russia in Ukraine.

The world will be less condemn of them when they inevitably retaliate.

Absolutely tragic. Not a single time did the headlines shout about innocent Palestinians dying or being forcibly moved, that’s the frustration.

They need no PR machine.

An attack by a terrorist group on their country. Murdering and kidnapping civilians as well as solidies.

My concern is for those kidnapped at the moment. Hamas will be doing who knows what to them and will be trying to use them as bargaining chips.

Theres only 3 ways forward here.

1: Israeli goes in and wipes out masses

2: Israel asks the local populace for assistance and those that do not help are arrested / punished

3: Talks

You seriously think that Iranian intelligence services didnt supply information and give advice on planning the insurgency mate?

lol

The taliban wants to join in...that leeds some legitimacy, doesn't it.

Perhaps they share the same views as were seeing by others in this thread.

 

[Zatara]

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/whats-this.94393/

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/lets-try-this-again.118119

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Could I request that the thread title is changed please?

I think its offensive to any Israeli Evertonians and former players such as Idan Tal.

 

[BNJ1878]

Thing is now Muslims across the region are calling for holy war against Israel. If Hezbollah and their Iranian handlers fancy getting in on the action then it could go south pretty quick.

The situation now requires calmness and restraint from Israel - sadly I don’t see that happening

They really aren't.

There's the usual hang wringing and the like, but besides a few more notes in the collection tins the majority in the region are not really bothered.

Lebanon will be the most agitated but their mainly annoyed because of decades of leadership that makes the tories look like skilled world leaders. They'd be well advised to turn on Hamas/Hezbollah based in South Lebanon and look the other way.

Edit: I see Hezbollah have just claimed this mornings rocket attacks from Leb as their handywork.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Could I request that the thread title is changed please?

I think its offensive to any Israeli Evertonians and former players such as Idan Tal.

No, the title is correct.