Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[tsubaki]

This will be at the heart of the next round of Russias PR and disinformation campaign.

It will, but the facts here are not necessarily disinformation - there are UN resolutions (as @Wat Tyler mentions) saying they have to give up the land - they've ignored them all. The settlements are, as everyone apart from them acknowledges, illegal under international law. They really have been going around attacking other countries as they see fit.

In 1973 when a similar thing to this happened, the party responsible for the attack (Sadat) was able to get enough regional backing to cancel any retaliation by the Israelis, thanks to OPEC cutting production and boycotting supplies to the US. I would imagine something similar will happen now, given what the impact of Gaza being flattened on the regional population and governments is going to be.

 

[Wat Tyler]

No and that will need calling out aswell. The facts are Isreal got attacked this morning. Palestine committed atrocities l. Isreal will respond and destroy the Hamas will to fight.

Israel are the aggressor though. The Palestinians are reacting to the aggressor, they aren’t the aggressors.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It will, but the facts here are not necessarily disinformation - there are UN resolutions (as @Wat Tyler mentions) saying they have to give up the land - they've ignored them all. The settlements are, as everyone apart from them acknowledges, illegal under international law. They really have been going around attacking other countries as they see fit.

In 1973 when a similar thing to this happened, the party responsible for the attack (Sadat) was able to get enough regional backing to cancel any retaliation by the Israelis, thanks to OPEC cutting production and boycotting supplies to the US. I would imagine something similar will happen now, given what the impact of Gaza being flattened on the regional population and governments is going to be.

I don't disagree but you just know they'll be spinning it AOTS.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

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[tsubaki]

I don't disagree but you just know they'll be spinning it AOTS.

of course they will, its the best argument they have about "western hypocrisy"

 

[TheFinnFan]

Israel are the aggressor though. The Palestinians are reacting to the aggressor, they aren’t the aggressors.

Oh sure. After this those people in Gaza will surely see their quality of life to turn for the better, right. Hamas is pack of terrorists and they dont care about their peoples well being.

 

[mightymoyes]

Oh sure. After this those people in Gaza will surely see their quality of life to turn for the better, right. Hamas is pack of terrorists and they dont care about their peoples well being.

And Israel is a terrorist, apartheid state no matter how you dress it up

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Oh sure. After this those people in Gaza will surely see their quality of life to turn for the better, right. Hamas is pack of terrorists and they dont care about their peoples well being.

Mate - if you’d been there and seen it for yourself - the absolute squalor and oppression that the Palestinians live in then maybe you’d look twice at this and maybe see it from another perspective.

it’s not black and white - it’s multiple shades of grey.

Thing is now Israel will retaliate with overwhelming and disproportionate force and level large swathes of Gaza before sending in its army to arrest every fighting age male they find.

And so it goes on

 

[Kev The Rat]

And Israel is a terrorist, apartheid state no matter how you dress it up

Yes

 

[Rita_Poon]

Yes

 

[tsubaki]

Mate - if you’d been there and seen it for yourself - the absolute squalor and oppression that the Palestinians live in then maybe you’d look twice at this and maybe see it from another perspective.

it’s not black and white - it’s multiple shades of grey.

Thing is now Israel will retaliate with overwhelming and disproportionate force and level large swathes of Gaza before sending in its army to arrest every fighting age male they find.

And so it goes on

He won't, but Bibi should really look at how the rest of the region - SA, Egypt and Turkey especially - have reacted to this. They are not going to tolerate the sort of retaliation he thinks he will have to do.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Looks like the Palestinians have entered Israeli cities. The main advantage the Israelis have is Air Force which will involve blasting their own cities.

The Ukros may be ok with firing on their own towns not so sure the Israelis will?

 

[TheFinnFan]

And Israel is a terrorist, apartheid state no matter how you dress it up

No it's not. Hamas is a terrorist organisation, though. Their people will never have their own country as long as Hamas is around.

 

[mightymoyes]

No it's not. Hamas is a terrorist organisation, though. Their people will never have their own country as long as Hamas is around.

It is though, by any measure

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

He won't, but Bibi should really look at how the rest of the region - SA, Egypt and Turkey especially - have reacted to this. They are not going to tolerate the sort of retaliation he thinks he will have to do.

They should get involved - but that will be purely diplomatic interventions.

Israel will take bloody revenge - nothing will stop that. As for what happens after that - seems to me that we’ve been at this point so many times and nothing really happens to alleviate the suffering of the Palestinians.

I really can’t see a way out of this spiral for any side. The hatred and divisions run too deep.