Current Affairs Ukraine

[Deleted member 48881]

Thats why I assume regime change has to be part of the equation as well.

But no 'deal' will occur anyway.

The Ukrainians would rather the country flattened than cede ground.

There again, so did the Chechen separatists, and even they were broken in the end.

What would you do if you were VZ?

Tell me something other than surrender / flee though. It has to contain Kyiv being defended at all costs.

 

[stipe]

Many Ukrainians are having their entire media, not to mention their water and electricity removed.

They are having their cities, homes, kids and pets bombarded by bombs and there is a mass humanitarian crisis forming with thousands having to flee.

And you are on here saying it is “horrific“ that you can’t watch a few YouTube videos.

Gnerally try and avoid personal attacks on posters but this is a bloody gross post.

Real and sad truth is that a lot of people see this in a same way as watching football game or playing Call of Duty, just scroll through social media and reddit.

Quite a few people i know (and we are much closer to Ukraine than UK) behave likes this is a game and taking sides.

 

[Kev The Rat]

What would you do if you were VZ?

Tell me something other than surrender / flee though. It has to contain Kyiv being defended at all costs.

If I was him I would go on the run, engage in a partisan war, for as long as I can

What else can I do?

 

[BlueToff]

Took the pish this today.
So embarrassing.

EU did it yesterday. Was it embarrassing then?

Both are meaningless gestures, but show solidarity

Video. European Parliament gives standing ovation for Ukrainian President

Video. MEPs in Brussels give Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky a standing ovation after his speech via a video call in European Parliament

www.euronews.com

 

[Zatara]

Whats your report from the streets of Moscow of the ongoing societal/economic collapse there please Zat?

I heard people were going to burn the Kremlin down because they couldnt use Apple Pay on the Metro?

If anyone is in Moscow surely that would be you?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It’s becoming clearer that someone within Putins circle needs to do the right thing and execute the bloke.

The longer this carry’s on the greater loss of life (on both sides), the more financial/economic pain for everyone, and the more instability.

For Christ sake, make yourself a hero and despatch Putin!

Had the same thoughts, however, who is in his circle that would step in could they be worse. Don't think this course of action automatically brings about a free democrat Russia...

 

[Haydn]

What a bizarre thing to complain about. I don't think I've seen a single politician do a speech of any kind during this crisis without a flag of some kind behind them.

We all have different views and see things from a different perspective. For me Johnson is a complete and utter hypocrite who makes everything about him.

The 2 other leaders standing directly alongside him didn’t feel it necessary to go for a full flag, jingo jack background.

Flags of the both countries and Nato were discretely placed to the side.

It’s about Nato and our actions in support of Ukraine not a Johnson personality promotion gig.

This thread sums up my view.

 

[Tree13]

The first strike could well be first strike doctrine - empty your arsenal to prevent as devastating a response.

The idea that we’d somehow survive a nuclear exchange unless we were in Africa is crazy

I’m fact youd probably not want to survive

You fundamentally misunderstand the principle of mutually-assured destruction, and this has been apparent from the first mention of it in this thread.

It is impossible for either Russia or the USA to eliminate each other's capacity to launch a retaliatory nuclear strike, meaning that whoever launches first will enjoying "winning" for about three minutes before they themselves suffer a couple hundred nuclear explosions.

If memory serves there are a couple of forum members with experience serving on US submarines. They will confirm that even if Russia somehow took out every land-based nuclear launch site on US soil in some sort of sneak nuclear attack, the weaponry aboard the US missile boats is more than sufficient to destroy Russia.

That's what MAD means. It's the end of the world the moment the first launch is detected. It's not a trump card that guarantees Russia wins, despite your misguided belief to the contrary. Indeed, the same holds true in reverse - the US lacks the ability to wipe out the Russian retaliatory capacity, so if Biden decided to push the button Putin can do the same before the first American missile lands.

 

[Death]

Many Ukrainians are having their entire media, not to mention their water and electricity removed.

They are having their cities, homes, kids and pets bombarded by bombs and there is a mass humanitarian crisis forming with thousands having to flee.

And you are on here saying it is “horrific“ that you can’t watch a few YouTube videos.

Gnerally try and avoid personal attacks on posters but this is a bloody gross post.

What i am trying to get at is why wasn't news outlets band that where cheer leading the war in Iraq?

I am angry at bombs going of in Ukraine the last 7 days like I'm angry at bombs in Afghanistan for the passed 20 years.

Its horrific like I said. Not cause I cant watch some shows. I don't even watch them shows seriously i stick on RT to laugh at its propaganda. Its horrific the control and platant propaganda we are blasted with from the west.

 

[Tree13]

Not sure if I should say 5 or not ….

Several of us are astounded you can count that high without explicit instructions from the Kremlin.

 

[brieverton]

I think it's time to start coldly considering the possibility that Putin is not in Ukraine to conquer it. He may be there to make limited terriorial gains in the east, and raze its major cities otherwise.

Reports out of Kharkiv and Mariupol seem to support this. It looks like Kyiv is next.

He will gain puppet control of Ukraine and then who knows how long the insurgency will last before proving triumphant in the finish.

It suits Putin to have the conflict frozen in that state. When the heavy artillery bombardment ends, and it will eventually, the long war begins. Putin will even hope then that it's something that doesn't dominate the global news agenda any longer.

Putins reign ends the day this operation fails, or sooner if he is deposed to bring that situation about.

 

[Gabagool]

EU did it yesterday. Was it embarrassing then?

Both are meaningless gestures, but show solidarity

Video. European Parliament gives standing ovation for Ukrainian President

Video. MEPs in Brussels give Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky a standing ovation after his speech via a video call in European Parliament

www.euronews.com

The difference is that the EU has gone far beyond what most had expected they'd do when it comes to issuing unprecedented sanctions against the Russian state, financing aid to Ukraine, and proposing their admission to the bloc - they've backed up their words (and meaningless but harmless gestures of solidarity) with actions.

The UK are still digging their heels in when it comes to addressing the issue of Russian money within Westminster's sphere of influence; their sanctions aren't immediately enforced (30 days grace period) and they've still refused to go after the most significant actors who either live or at least hold assets in the UK.

They're also refusing to allow in parents or grandparents of Ukrainians who reside and work and thus pay taxes in the UK, insisting that dependents only are free to come. Had they decided to rectify these issues, then the gesture probably would've appeared more sincere.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Mate of mine just given me a call, he knows of British fixers ready to get Russian money over here, circumventing the sanctions and pump into properties via 3rd parties

Obviously rates have gone up for these enablers, I'm sure there's money to be made.

 

[Mrk]

We all have different views and see things from a different perspective. For me Johnson is a complete and utter hypocrite who makes everything about him.

The 2 other leaders standing directly alongside him didn’t feel it necessary to go for a full flag, jingo jack background.

Flags of the both countries and Nato were discretely placed to the side.

It’s about Nato and our actions in support of Ukraine not a Johnson personality promotion gig.

This thread sums up my view.

I think Johnson is useless. However, I also think being rational is important.

People who let their ideology cloud their ability to be rational (like, with respect, Carole Cadwalladr) struggle to see how irrelevant their irrationality makes them.

 

[Yarrgh]

I hate it for the average Russian citizens. But what can they do? Putin has lost this poker game.

Winter is not the season for revolution.

A big worry for me is that it requires a monster to remove a monster.