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[Kev The Rat]

Winter is not the season for revolution.

A big worry for me is that it requires a monster to remove a monster.

Some of the hard line replacements possibly being lined up concern me

 

[LinekersLegs]

The Syrian ones weren’t very successful iirc but tragically looks like the only chance to get some of the civilians out before even more loss of life

 

[stipe]

What i am trying to get at is why wasn't news outlets band that where cheer leading the war in Iraq?

I am angry at bombs going of in Ukraine the last 7 days like I'm angry at bombs in Afghanistan for the passed 20 years.

Its horrific like I said. Not cause I cant watch some shows. I don't even watch them shows seriously i stick on RT to laugh at its propaganda. Its horrific the control and platant propaganda we are blasted with from the west.

Those people living there probably thinking the same, where was this outcry when they where bombed to oblivion and whole families massacred by American drone strikes

But harsh truth is that Ukraine is in Europe, and people are always concerned by the things that are happening close to them, in same way i care much more for my family than some nameless stranger

You can see this attitude on news reports, BBC, CBS, ITV.......

 

[Deleted member 48881]

It’s becoming clearer that someone within Putins circle needs to do the right thing and execute the bloke.

The longer this carry’s on the greater loss of life (on both sides), the more financial/economic pain for everyone, and the more instability.

For Christ sake, make yourself a hero and despatch Putin!

Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

His own medicine pls

 

[Yarrgh]

It’s becoming clearer that someone within Putins circle needs to do the right thing and execute the bloke.

The longer this carry’s on the greater loss of life (on both sides), the more financial/economic pain for everyone, and the more instability.

For Christ sake, make yourself a hero and despatch Putin!

I think this is the way it has to end.

Would you kill Hitler to prevent WW2?

Would you kill Putin to prevent WW3?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

We all have different views and see things from a different perspective. For me Johnson is a complete and utter hypocrite who makes everything about him.

The 2 other leaders standing directly alongside him didn’t feel it necessary to go for a full flag, jingo jack background.

Flags of the both countries and Nato were discretely placed to the side.

It’s about Nato and our actions in support of Ukraine not a Johnson personality promotion gig.

This thread sums up my view.

Kind of glad you posted, The Boris video, would not have instinctively watched it, confounds my suspicions what the sad saps are being peddled.

But but the Great Independent Sovereign State Britain will whine and howl with what about the EU USA, with what about them, blah deflection blah, who do they think they are trying to kid...

 

[Martin Alvito]

So what's the end game? They ve got more territory in the east and major cities are flattened, but VZ is in the power, is in Kyiv, alive. (Hopefully it stays like that)

With the help of Europe we can rebeuild the city. So lose-lose for Putler?

Your guess is as good as mine as to the endgame at this stage of the game. Supposing that Putin more or less levels everything east of the Dnieper north of Kherson and the region bordering the Sea of Azov, I would imagine that the government regroups in Lviv until Kyiv can be rebuilt.

That buys Putin a long window during which Ukraine is nowhere near NATO accession, as the country will be crippled with debt and also will struggle to be competitive in its traditional export markets with Putin choking off its sea lanes.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Your guess is as good as mine as to the endgame at this stage of the game. Supposing that Putin more or less levels everything east of the Dnieper north of Kherson and the region bordering the Sea of Azov, I would imagine that the government regroups in Lviv until Kyiv can be rebuilt.

That buys Putin a long window during which Ukraine is nowhere near NATO accession, as the country will be crippled with debt and also will struggle to be competitive in its traditional export markets with Putin choking off its sea lanes.

He doesnt leave without formal committments/secession of Donbass and Crimea.

The whole excercise is pointless otherwise.

He was fighting for control in Donbass for 8 years already.

 

[COYBL25]

What i am trying to get at is why wasn't news outlets band that where cheer leading the war in Iraq?

I am angry at bombs going of in Ukraine the last 7 days like I'm angry at bombs in Afghanistan for the passed 20 years.

Its horrific like I said. Not cause I cant watch some shows. I don't even watch them shows seriously i stick on RT to laugh at its propaganda. Its horrific the control and platant propaganda we are blasted with from the west.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Your guess is as good as mine as to the endgame at this stage of the game. Supposing that Putin more or less levels everything east of the Dnieper north of Kherson and the region bordering the Sea of Azov, I would imagine that the government regroups in Lviv until Kyiv can be rebuilt.

That buys Putin a long window during which Ukraine is nowhere near NATO accession, as the country will be crippled with debt and also will struggle to be competitive in its traditional export markets with Putin choking off its sea lanes.

Thing is UKR was nowhere near being on the brink of NATO accession, on Feb 24...

 

[Kev The Rat]

Thing is UKR was nowhere near being on the brink of NATO accession, on Feb 24...

Excatly, so there is more at stake here - legal concessions are what he wants.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Some of the hard line replacements possibly being lined up concern me

Don't underestimate that power of the British clap...

 

[Martin Alvito]

He will gain puppet control of Ukraine and then who knows how long the insurgency will last before proving triumphant in the finish.

He doesn't have the manpower to prop up a puppet or fight an insurgency across the entirety of the country, and never did. He might have been able to divide Ukraine along the Dnieper and raise a rival claimant to the throne in Kyiv, but the increasing brutality of the attacks on civilians render even that questionable. This is the sort of stuff that hardens resolve, rather than breaks it.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

He doesnt leave without formal committments/secession of Donbass and Crimea.

The whole excercise is pointless otherwise.

He was fighting for control in Donbass for 8 years already.

Why did he struggle so much with controlling Donbas unlike Crimea though

 

[Kev The Rat]

He doesn't have the manpower to prop up a puppet or fight an insurgency across the entirety of the country, and never did. He might have been able to divide Ukraine along the Dnieper and raise a rival claimant to the throne in Kyiv, but the increasing brutality of the attacks on civilians render even that questionable. This is the sort of stuff that hardens resolve, rather than breaks it.

He broke the Chechens. He look to be adopting the same strategy here.

it may not work, but the place will be reduced to rubble.

If he doesnt have the manpower to fight an insurgency, then the Ukrainians would be able to kick him out

They clearly arent capable of doing that.