Current Affairs Ukraine

[Kev The Rat]

Come on now.

you think they wanted to level cities? and have failed to be able to do that?

 

[Kev The Rat]

Success or failure can only be judged against the political aims of such an 'intervention'. Given the crux of the matter was successive waves of NATO (US) expansion, he opted to abandon deterrence in favour of compellence.

They've failed in the sense they've united all Western forces, amongst whom they've spent the last decade sowing seeds of discontent and chaos; they've pushed Finland and Sweden into the arms of NATO; they've now awoken the German war machine; they've highlighted the existential necessity for the EU to become (officially) politically and militarily active in order to remain remotely relevant long-term.

All of this whilst crippling themselves financially for a country with history of facing Russian aggression, where counter-insurgencies will be commonplace as they fight against the drawing of the iron curtain once again.

All fair points - but will sanctions, at least at this level, last for ever? Have the oligarchs really been crushed? Long term could this turn into another 'ignored' occupation like Donbas was for 8 years? Will Sweden and Finland really join NATO? Will Europe really benefit from Russia threatened by German missiles?

 

[Bungle]

Oh dear

Some tough negotiations have gone on there to get @bullybeef to give up his lard.

 

[PhilM]

What about Afghanistan, Iran, Ireland?

Afghanistan in 1839, 1878 or 2001? Similar questions with Iran or do you mean Iraq? It's important as the context is quite different.

This isn't the thread for Ireland. That's not a glib answer by the way, but rather it's not justifiable sending this thread off on what'll be a strained discussion.

 

[verreauxi]

you think they wanted to level cities? and have failed to be able to do that?

What I think is that your baseless generalization not grounded in a shred of evidence coupled with your impugning the entire forum with a patently libelous falsehood makes you unreliable and you should be banned. .

 

[Kev The Rat]

What I think is that your baseless generalization not grounded in a shred of evidence coupled with your impugning the entire forum with a patently libelous falsehood makes you unreliable and you should be banned. .

libelous against who?

you dont even know the meaning of the word.

 

[verreauxi]

libelous against who?

you dont even know the meaning of the word.

This is an out and out lie:

no one on this thread mate.

they'd rather see nuclear war.

Well I’m not but everyone else here wants ww3 so I wouldn’t be far out of line if I was

 

[Mrk]

For the first time ever, the EU will purchase and deliver weapons to a country under attack.

Hard to stress just how badly ballbag vlad has misjudged this. He's awoken Germany and the EU, crippled his economy, completely isolated himself and cost the lives of countless Russians.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Eventually, The Russian people will turn on Putin.

NATO is now on high alert and coming together. Even the German's have woke up. Finland and Sweden is a absolute game changer in the fact they will solidify and make Putin unhinged. I believe he may be sick as his irrational patterns recently is certainly thought provoking and dangerous.

As this evolves don't be surprised if boots on the ground eventually will be used as you can't deal with a madman that only has a one track mind.

Remember Neville Chamberlains interpretation of Adolf. History repeating itself?

 

[everton fan number one]

Muahahahaha

 

[Lune1878]

We do still have one last ace up our sleeve with regards a peaceful ending to this war. It involves a former England international footballer, a fishing rod and some lager.

 

[Alan Whittle]

libelous against who?

you dont even know the meaning of the word.

What about the “baseless generalisation not grounded in a shred of evidence” bit? @Kev The Rat? That can’t be right surely?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Muahahahaha

Ruble will crash tomorrow - their economy will be in tatters

 

[Kev The Rat]

What about the “baseless generalisation not grounded in a shred of evidence” bit? @Kev The Rat? That can’t be right surely?

ok not everyone

 

[PhilM]

Eventually, The Russian people will turn on Putin.

NATO is now on high alert and coming together. Even the German's have woke up. Finland and Sweden is a absolute game changer in the fact they will solidify and make Putin unhinged. I believe he may be sick as his irrational patterns recently is certainly thought provoking and dangerous.

As this evolves don't be surprised if boots on the ground eventually will be used as you can't deal with a madman that only has a one track mind.

Remember Neville Chamberlains interpretation of Adolf. History repeating itself?

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." - Yamamoto*

*Questions whether he said it or not, but either way it's fitting.