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[Deleted member 48881]

Poor putin

 

[stipe]

Mate the Ottomans ruled us for 500 years, doing horrible acts of brutality. The UN? Nowhere in sight.

We had Austrians rule over us for 400 years, and interestingly enough, old empire is not remembered as some evil entity, but still a lot of respect.

Vienna is still seen as inherently aristocratic city, and when you want to praise someone on gentlemanly behavior, you say "Vienna School"

 

[Kev The Rat]

No, he'll be looking to appoint someone that doesn't make false promises. It's evident that the general staff had an overly rosy view of how an invasion would go, didn't have the troops at full readiness and made some substantial mistakes with logistics.

That gets generals and marshals fired in Moscow, whether it's the Soviet Union or Russia.

Really? The Russians are occupying the areas they want to and holding cities under siege, with minimal damage to infrastructure.

Not sure how its going that badly? May even have been the plan.

 

[DualityNSNO]

We had Austrians rule over us for 400 years, and interesntigly enough, old empire is not remembered as some evil entity, but still a lot of respect.

Vienna is still seen as inherently aristocratic city, and when you want to praise someone on gentlemanly behavior, you say "Vienna School"

Bet the UN also didn't do jack for that.

Ridiculous.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Really? The Russians are occupying the areas they want to and holding cities under siege, with minimal damage to infrastructure.

Not sure how its going that badly? May even have been the plan.

What do you regard as minimal, realistically?

 

[Kev The Rat]

What do you regard as minimal, realistically?

As good as can be expected, when you invade a country

Clearly they could have levelled Kiev for example.

 

[summerisle]

 

[Alan Whittle]

Really? The Russians are occupying the areas they want to

How on Earth do you know that?

 

[DualityNSNO]

As good as can be expected, when you invade a country

But it's not minimal - they have damaged electric and powerplants, roads are demolished, flats and houses as well.

Minimal is great when you're far away, but if it was your own place being turned to its building blocks it wouldn't be "minimal", you know?

 

[Kev The Rat]

But it's not minimal - they have damaged electric and powerplants, roads are demolished, flats and houses as well.

Minimal is great when you're far away, but if it was your own place being turned to its building blocks it wouldn't be "minimal", you know?

Like I said, I dont think Russia would describe this as a failed intervention, that would demand replacement of its military generals. Which was the original point being made.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Like I said, I dont think Russia would describe this as a failed intervention. Which was the original point being made.

They won't, as they participate. Much like North Korea, Russia doesn't do anything wrong, only victories for the Great Russian Empire.

Intervention... of what? Intervening with the peace and lives of civilians?

 

[PhilM]

No, he'll be looking to appoint someone that doesn't make false promises. It's evident that the general staff had an overly rosy view of how an invasion would go, didn't have the troops at full readiness and made some substantial mistakes with logistics.

That gets generals and marshals fired in Moscow, whether it's the Soviet Union or Russia.

A level-headed and rational person would, but we're talking here about an autocratic leader who is under a lot of pressure. Historically, that's not a good mix.

I may be wrong (I hope I'm not) although I have an inkling that he'll want someone who is loyal, will not be a threat to him and an effective military leader...

...in that order. How many of those do you get? A general with the loyalty of the army is a dangerous thing to a dictator.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Mate the Ottomans ruled us for 500 years, doing horrible acts of brutality. The UN? Nowhere in sight.

Monsters.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Really? The Russians are occupying the areas they want to and holding cities under siege, with minimal damage to infrastructure.

Not sure how its going that badly? May even have been the plan.

They're well behind timetable judging from their logistics, and don't have air superiority despite overwhelming numbers. These are failures.

 

[Kev The Rat]

They won't, as they participate. Much like North Korea, Russia doesn't do anything wrong, only victories for the Great Russian Empire.

Intervention... of what? Intervening with the peace and lives of civilians?

Yes certainly, its not pleasant. I was responding to the point being made which was Putin might hold his generals to account for military failure.