Current Affairs Ukraine

[bcblue1878]

Although I “liked” that post it’s a bit weird/uncomfortable doing it, because there’s certainly people who are dying on that helicopter! Dying not because they are defending their country or their freedom but dying because their absolute nutcase of a leader has sent them to a place they don’t want to be, and knowing what they are doing is so wrong!

 

[LinekersLegs]

He’s going to need a bigger table

 

[Martin Alvito]

Additionally I think the NATO guarantees may have more importance to Putin than even Donbas

The universe where the West starts hammering out a stable security structure before the shooting stops does not exist. The framework of a settlement would have to be in place to get a cease-fire, and this won't be part of it.

Only then will the Western diplomats start trying to hammer out the long-term order with Putin's diplomats, and you can bet they'll have orders to drive a hard bargain.

 

[ste d' indica]

If you believe that we have the right to take some lane halfway across the world from us then fair enough.

You don't really do complexity do you?

 

[BlueToff]

 

[DualityNSNO]

The universe where the West starts hammering out a stable security structure before the shooting stops does not exist. The framework of a settlement would have to be in place to get a cease-fire, and this won't be part of it.

Only then will the Western diplomats start trying to hammer out the long-term order with Putin's diplomats, and you can bet they'll have orders to drive a hard bargain.

By the time it's hammered out and with Putin staying firm that there will be no cease-fire while talks are ongoing (thus forcing them to be quicker, which is fairly obvious, so that Ukraine/NATO can take a worse stance than they can afford) - Ukraine will be but a hole in the ground.

 

[PhilM]

Like I said, is this a case of pro-Russian rather than pro-Putin? Things are starting to unravel very quickly as he'll be looking to appoint a yes man.

 

[CharliePotato]

That doesn't make sense. The right for a country (Argentina) to invade sovereign territory or the right for said sovereign territory to ask to defend itself?

The Falklands was not Argentinian territory. The Falklands wanted it back. It's a bit like Ukraine isn't Russian territory, so they want it back.

What about Afghanistan, Iran, Ireland?

 

[Tin-Tin]

Like I said, is this a case of pro-Russian rather than pro-Putin? Things are starting to unravel very quickly as he'll be looking to appoint a yes man.

Wouldnt be suprised if he's getting really paranoid now and wont let anybody near him.

 

[peteblue]

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Seeing though it’s on the other side of the world, how did it end up belonging to us?

Oh I don’t know, seafaring nation stumbles across empty islands, people settle there for a few hundred years in peaceful tranquility, until some other nation claims to have ‘inherited them’ and then sends thousands of troops....stop either being a fool or just pretending to be one……

 

[Martin Alvito]

This is just how the Russians make war. Get results or get replaced. Even Zhukov got fired as the chief of the general staff when the Germans invaded, though he ran the Stalingrad defense.

His reward for functionally winning the war was being shunted aside by Stalin, because he was too popular.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

If you believe that we have the right to take some lane halfway across the world from us then fair enough.

Well, who does it belong to and what do you want to do with the couple of thousand British citizens who live there?

 

[DualityNSNO]

Wouldnt be suprised if he's getting really paranoid now and wont let anybody near him.

Been that way for a while though, it's been widely reported he's ill as well, some places stating Alzheimer even (which is not very believable but still), or MS, etc....

 

[Martin Alvito]

By the time it's hammered out and with Putin staying firm that there will be no cease-fire while talks are ongoing (thus forcing them to be quicker, which is fairly obvious, so that Ukraine/NATO can take a worse stance than they can afford) - Ukraine will be but a hole in the ground.

Talk is cheap. That's Putin's position so long as he thinks military victory is inevitable. Should that change, he'll change his tune.

 

[peteblue]

What about Afghanistan, Iran, Ireland?

Everyone has been invaded. The Romans were not removed from SWIFT when they came to the U.K. Nor were the Vikings on their many raids.……