Current Affairs Ukraine

[Tree13]

How is the EU embassy a legitimate target?

Some EU member states are in NATO and NATO started all this. ObViOuS iNniT!

 

[wainy]

I’ll happily discuss things with people I disagree with when I think they are arguing in good faith, indeed it is often how you learn and expand your thoughts. I’ve probably had lively arguments over one thing or another with most of the forum regular posters!

Trolls you are just feeding them what they want.

Same, just gets boring when it turns into twitter where you are either side x or y with no middle ground for discussion.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Same, just gets boring when it turns into twitter where you are either side x or y with no middle ground for discussion.

The Whataboutery is even worse.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

How do either of the above points absolve Putin of blame for the torture, rape and murder of thousands of civilians?

Oh yes, I remember - because you think the Ukrainian population deserves what's happening to them, because Putin told you so and unlike the Western media Putin ALWAYS tells the truth.

Amazing that petty point-scoring matters more to you, @davids and @bluestevon than the basic rights of non-combatants to be treated as non-combatants. But I suppose if simply being Ukrainian is a crime... well.

The hatred the three of you harbour for Ukrainians is as inexplicable as it is inexcusable. By all means criticise the West, but how on Earth you've convinced yourselves that Putin is doing nothing wrong and is above criticism just marks you as morally lacking.

Bravo

 

[davids]

How do either of the above points absolve Putin of blame for the torture, rape and murder of thousands of civilians?

Oh yes, I remember - because you think the Ukrainian population deserves what's happening to them, because Putin told you so and unlike the Western media Putin ALWAYS tells the truth.

Amazing that petty point-scoring matters more to you, @davids and @bluestevon than the basic rights of non-combatants to be treated as non-combatants. But I suppose if simply being Ukrainian is a crime... well.

The hatred the three of you harbour for Ukrainians is as inexplicable as it is inexcusable. By all means criticise the West, but how on Earth you've convinced yourselves that Putin is doing nothing wrong and is above criticism just marks you as morally lacking.

Here you go again with your sad form of the Spanish Inquisition. Nowhere have I stated any hate for the Ukrainians. My mistrust of the US is proven by decades of covert government changes and illegal invasions of sovereign states. That doesn't make me a default supporter of Putin or his regime.

 

[Tree13]

Here we go with the childlike "don't trust the US?" so you are by default a supporter of Russia. Lazy posting,but then that's not a surprise.

And yet I have pointed out to you that I see no issue with doubting US motives AND criticising Putin... But you refuse to criticise Putin.

Why do you refuse to criticise Putin when it is perfectly possible to do so WITHOUT trusting the US?

Vatnik.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

MSN

Amazing MANPADS.

 

[Tree13]

Here you go again with your sad form of the Spanish Inquisition. Nowhere have I stated any hate for the Ukrainians. My mistrust of the US is proven by decades of covert government changes and illegal invasions of sovereign states. That doesn't make me a default supporter of Putin or his regime.

Questioning your refusal to denounce Russian atrocities against defenceless civilians is not remotely comparable to the Spanish Inquisition.

I don't question your distrust of US motives and actions, and SOME of your criticism thereof is justified and laudable.

I question why it is you cannot offer a criticism of Putin's illegal and barbaric assault on civilians in their thousands, when doing so would not in any way contradict your rational distrust of the US. The two are not mutually logically exclusive.

You are making a deliberate effort to repeatedly refuse to criticise Russia. Why? Such criticism would not undermine or devalue your stated position re the US / the West / NATO. Therefore you are choosing to remain silent about the torture, rape and murder of civilians. That silence begs questions - questions that several of us have put to you and you repeatedly refuse to answer.

What other conclusion can be drawn? If you don't want to be accused of hating Ukrainians and supporting Putin's genocidal orgy of criminal violence, stop pointedly refusing to identify it as worthy of criticism.

Vatnik.

 

[Tree13]

Imagine supporting this! Yuk ?

@davids @ramacca @bluestevon - time for a tug boys. Knock yourselves out.

 

[dublinbluenose]

MSN

Amazing MANPADS.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Silicon Valley billionaire Milner renounces Russian citizenship

Interesting.

 

[bluestevon]

How do either of the above points absolve Putin of blame for the torture, rape and murder of thousands of civilians?

Oh yes, I remember - because you think the Ukrainian population deserves what's happening to them, because Putin told you so and unlike the Western media Putin ALWAYS tells the truth.

Amazing that petty point-scoring matters more to you, @davids and @bluestevon than the basic rights of non-combatants to be treated as non-combatants. But I suppose if simply being Ukrainian is a crime... well.

The hatred the three of you harbour for Ukrainians is as inexplicable as it is inexcusable. By all means criticise the West, but how on Earth you've convinced yourselves that Putin is doing nothing wrong and is above criticism just marks you as morally lacking.

Yup instead ukranians so much mate, it's why I have several Ukranians students we have several family friends from Ukraine and my son's kindergarten teacher is Ukranian, out of a particular nasty spite for them both the school of my eldest and the kindergarten of my youngest have been doing collections for the kids of Donbass for the past 4 years - that I know of - which I've got my son's to always write a personal message with their package each time including both of them sending things they loved because I explained these kids have nothing.

Sorry mate, touched a nerve, most on here this started in February to all intents, I've seen the effects ever since I've been living here.

 

[Tree13]

For all the threads armchair heroes who want to see Ukraine fight Russia back to its borders and see a free Ukraine here's your chance,no excuses now. On you go to glory.

https://fightforua.org/

I hope that if your house ever catches fire and you call the fire brigade, they turn up outside with all the gear and then turn to you and say: "Well we're not doing anything if you aren't."

 

[Tree13]

@davids @ramacca

Are you both ok? Im actually becoming quite concerned about your wellbeing.

You dont seem to be quite 'right'.

Do you also share these views in public?

I can categorically guarantee that neither of them would share such views in public. The reception they would get in any pub up or down the entire British Isles for spouting such hateful, pro-Nazi bile would see them removed from the premises with uncomfortable haste.

The sad thing about the internet is that WUMs like @davids and @ramacca can hide behind their keyboards typing pro-Nazi bile and getting off on being called out for it. It's very, very weird and really rather sad.

 

[Tree13]

Western lies. I crossed it three times earlier this afternoon.