Current Affairs Ukraine

[Goat]

Oh the humanity, poor things waiting 12 hours to cross a bridge, meanwhile, in Kiev, people are getting murdered taking their kids to school.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Better than 7 months of helI guess

Thats what I was thinking a little inconvenience versus losing your existence.

 

[davids]

Well come on then, what amazing terms did Russia offer after invading the Ukraine and killing loads of their people?

I'm just quoting the Turkish politicians who were there,I wasn't,were you?

 

[Goat]

I'm just quoting the Turkish politicians who were there,I wasn't,were you?

I think I missed you posting the quotes, can you link them again please comrade.

 

[Martin Alvito]

The problem with this is that they aren't being criticized for not accepting "deals" that were never there; they are being criticized for not taking part in negotiations. Zelensky's decree from a few days ago banning himself from negotiating with Putin would have been farcical in less concerning times than these.

I agree that there is plenty of reason to doubt the sincerity of the country that invaded, but to not take part in them is just allowing the Russians to go around saying that they want peace but that the other side isn't negotiating - something that is both absurd and correct.

Nothing is lost by engaging in these talks. They should be engaged with.

It's a political stunt aimed at his domestic political audience. As long as Ukraine is gaining rather than losing territory on the battlefield, they're not going to sit down for talks anyway. They want to walk into talks when they happen with the strongest possible hand. Agreeing to talks right now signals weakness, which is not something Zelenskyy wants to do.

If progress on the battlefield stalls, he might change his tune.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Surely, GOT's military experts will be the first to enrol. They tell us the Russian army is crap so it should be a walk in the park for them.

Hello mate, can you post a pic of your fridge in the ‘show us your fridge thread’ please?

 

[tsubaki]

admittedly that info has been passed through multiple sources (so the language may not have been what was used) but that is a really strange distinction made between Crimea and the other four oblasts - almost as if the "deal" would be:

the world recognizes Crimea as part of Russia
some form of permanent neutrality for Ukraine
Ukraine recognizes Russian control of the four oblasts (or what they occupy in the four oblasts, that still isnt clear) but everyone else doesn't

 

[LinekersLegs]

Oh the humanity, poor things waiting 12 hours to cross a bridge, meanwhile, in Kiev, people are getting murdered taking their kids to school.

I wonder how many are tourists that realize having a holiday on the edge of a warzone isn’t the smartest idea and how many are residents leaving.

Either way with this and the mobilization I think a lot of Russians are beginning to understand the pain of war isn’t all one way (although as you say still disproportionately felt by Ukraine citizens).

In a democracy that would put pressure on the leader but sadly Russia is a long way from that.

 

[tsubaki]

It's a political stunt aimed at his domestic political audience. As long as Ukraine is gaining rather than losing territory on the battlefield, they're not going to sit down for talks anyway. They want to walk into talks when they happen with the strongest possible hand. Agreeing to talks right now signals weakness, which is not something Zelenskyy wants to do.

If progress on the battlefield stalls, he might change his tune.

I really don't think it does signal weakness, and if it is a political stunt then its a very stupid one. You should always engage in talks when you are on the advance, the enemy is much more likely to listen to you than he is when he is advancing.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

It's a political stunt aimed at his domestic political audience. As long as Ukraine is gaining rather than losing territory on the battlefield, they're not going to sit down for talks anyway. They want to walk into talks when they happen with the strongest possible hand. Agreeing to talks right now signals weakness, which is not something Zelenskyy wants to do.

If progress on the battlefield stalls, he might change his tune.

I doubt that it will as Zelenskyy is going for Gold. Cut off Crimea then the talks begin. This has been poor adulterated carnage for a madman to improve his psyche.

 

[Prevenger17]

I'm just quoting the Turkish politicians who were there,I wasn't,were you?

Well you seemed to know so much about the real story and not the one fed to us by the WeSteRn MeDiA. Sry for asking you to back up something you posted

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

For all the threads armchair heroes who want to see Ukraine fight Russia back to its borders and see a free Ukraine here's your chance,no excuses now. On you go to glory.

https://fightforua.org/

You need some new material you sad blert

 

[Goat]

Well this thread went from some interesting views and people sharing info in to a load of [Poor language removed] didn’t it.

But this really.

We do spend far too much time allowing the Russian troll bots to switch focus.

For my part I will try and refrain from it in future.

Slava Ukraini!

 

[Goat]

Well you seemed to know so much about the real story and not the one fed to us by the WeSteRn MeDiA. Sry for asking you to back up something you posted

TrUsT Me BrO

 

[LinekersLegs]

admittedly that info has been passed through multiple sources (so the language may not have been what was used) but that is a really strange distinction made between Crimea and the other four oblasts - almost as if the "deal" would be:

the world recognizes Crimea as part of Russia
some form of permanent neutrality for Ukraine
Ukraine recognizes Russian control of the four oblasts (or what they occupy in the four oblasts, that still isnt clear) but everyone else doesn't

I think the first will probably be part of any deal.

I can’t see how the second can give Ukraine any assurances that Russia won’t try a third invasion in a couple of years to get the rest, especially as Ukraine would be significantly weakened economically be the 3rd condition.