Current Affairs Ukraine

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bluestevon said:
Yup instead ukranians so much mate, it's why I have several Ukranians students we have several family friends from Ukraine and my son's kindergarten teacher is Ukranian, out of a particular nasty spite for them both the school of my eldest and the kindergarten of my youngest have been doing collections for the kids of Donbass for the past 4 years - that I know of - which I've got my son's to always write a personal message with their package each time including both of them sending things they loved because I explained these kids have nothing.

Sorry mate, touched a nerve, most on here this started in February to all intents, I've seen the effects ever since I've been living here.
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I may not agree with everything you say and will likely strongly disagree with some of it but that will be the same the other way too. I’ve seen that in this thread when people are willing to engage with you sensibly you respond in kind. I respect you’re in a very different situation to the rest of us and understandably things will boil over at times.

I can’t say the same for the other two as they seem to have very strong agendas for different reasons and there is no sensible conversation or debate to be had there as the response is always the same whatever they are responding to.
 
wainy said:
Well this thread went from some interesting views and people sharing info in to a load of [Poor language removed] didn’t it.
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Fair point.

Comrade David and Comrade Ramacca are obviously giggling themselves silly over their "hilarious" WUMming. I shall feed them no more. Both going on to ignore.

If either of them ever actually start offering rational answers to any of the questions they've both chosen to repeatedly duck and dive, let me know. Happy to engage with them once they acknowledge that torturing, raping and murdering civilians is not acceptable military behaviour, even in an illegal war.
 
Wizard said:
I may not agree with everything you say and will likely strongly disagree with some of it but that will be the same the other way too. I’ve seen that in this thread when people are willing to engage with you sensibly you respond in kind. I respect you’re in a very different situation to the rest of us and understandably things will boil over at times.

I can’t say the same for the other two as they seem to have very strong agendas for different reasons and there is no sensible conversation or debate to be had there as the response is always the same whatever they are responding to.
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Well said. I agree wholeheartedly. The other two don't make any sensible dialogue and get huffy if you don't agree with their demented views. Both have been put on ignore and reason can once again be achieved.
 
Martin Alvito said:
I assure you that we want regime change. Whether or not we can produce the result without sparking WWIII is another question, so I doubt that it's a policy end we're after. If a clear opportunity came along, we would probably take it, but we would have to be very assured of success.

From where Putin is sitting, NATO's eastward expansion provides the opportunity for a disabling first-strike against Russia's command-and-control structure. A hypersonic missile can get from Vilnius to Moscow in about four minutes. Stationing missiles in eastern Ukraine doesn't help all that much with that proposition, but it gets us a lot closer to his missile fields in the center of the country. NATO's stated intentions are irrelevant from where he is sitting, because we could station such missiles whenever we wanted. The classic security dilemma paradox is that making oneself more secure generally makes the opposition less secure, which causes the opposition to take action, which can make the first state less secure than it was at the outset.

As far as a nuclear option goes, an all-out exchange obviously doesn't improve Putin's position. However, the willingness of the West to reply-in-kind to a first use of nuclear weapons is very questionable depending on the circumstances. If he erases New York or London, we probably erase St. Petersburg. It's much less clear what happens if he uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine. We would reply, but it's very possible that he acquires a tactical or strategic advantage as a result because we don't want to run things all the way up the escalation chain to a full exchange.
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Thank you, appreciate the reply and the detail.
 
Tree13 said:
Fair point.

Comrade David and Comrade Ramacca are obviously giggling themselves silly over their "hilarious" WUMming. I shall feed them no more. Both going on to ignore.

If either of them ever actually start offering rational answers to any of the questions they've both chosen to repeatedly duck and dive, let me know. Happy to engage with them once they acknowledge that torturing, raping and murdering civilians is not acceptable military behaviour, even in an illegal war.
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Tennessee Blue Mike said:
Well said. I agree wholeheartedly. The other two don't make any sensible dialogue and get huffy if you don't agree with their demented views. Both have been put on ignore and reason can once again be achieved.
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I have also placed the comrades on ignore.

As you say, nothing will be achieved when people have such polarised views.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Taiwanese looking at Ukraine for inspiration, suspect the Chinese are also studying the success/failure of both side’s moves.
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I admittedly have little idea about the strategic and logistical situation with Taiwan but presumably being a relatively small island will make it way harder for them to hold off an equivalent advance from China?
 
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