The 2 years since Martinez left.

[hktoffee]

Keep praising Koeman, Cuco and Bolasie...

I see you want Everton to sign Balotelli...

Have a word with yourself...

What a liar. Be ashamed of yourself.

Keeping praising the fraud Martinez and playing all the U20. Bye.

 

[davek]

No on that score we have been abysmal, the spending out of control and the due diligence seemingly non existent. I guess we will never know If Bobby could have bought better but looking at the signings he made, doubtful, I mean could we really truly not have got better than Niasse for £13m. It's just been a continuation of disaster after disaster and it all started under Martinez.

His transfers were hit and miss, imo. But then what manager's isn't? 70 players Moyes bought, I doubt more than 15 were what we would describe as worthy of the shirt they wore.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

What are you even on about? You said he played a system that doesn't work, but it clearly does for a lot of teams who have the right quality players. We didn't, but he still continued to play that way knowing is wasn't working. So he eventually went. End Of.

Not sure what made you think I was defending him?

Martinez system did not use the press that was the key to Barcelona’s system working. This could be due to the fact the players were not capable of it, but Man City also use a similar pressing system

 

[Titus Bramble]

I’m really bored of Martinez

 

[BernieH]

His transfers were hit and miss, imo. But then what manager's isn't? 70 players Moyes bought, I doubt more than 15 were what we would describe as worthy of the shirt they wore.

I think Moyes got more right than wrong but he did his due diligence correctly, to the point of dithering as we used to say but he did build a squad that had some harmony and chemistry. If he had his second season now though would he survive it and have the opportunity to build like he did, that's another question.

Signing a player is always a gamble but I think Moyes got value for money on most whereas since we've just been peeing it up a wall.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Martinez developed Stones (47.5mil) and Lukaku (75mil--90mil) which was spent by Koeman on; Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Williams, Klaassen, Keane, Pickford, Sigurdsson.

Let that sink in for a while.


Martinez signed Lukaku for 27mil including the loan fee + McCarthy for 13mil + Niasse for 13mil.

McCarthy was wanted by Arsenal for 20mil+ and got an extension. It's absolutely obvious that the sales of his players %wise are far more profitable than what will be seen from the Koeman signings.

Have a think about that for a while.

These are as close to facts as you can get as opposed to your bizarre opinions and hatred for a manager.

I can only assume you've not been supporting the team for very long.

Would rather have Pickford than Stones. Who signed John Stones?

 

[electricblue]

Brideshead Revisited.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

At least one of those last two seasons wasn't a write off though if we include all competitions.

And is there a major difference between coming 11th and coming 7th or 9th after spending the thick end of £300M to shift us up a level?

So now you're saying we/Moshiri have spent that then?

Make your mind up.

 

[canuckblue]

Truth be known - they were awful under Moyes at basic defending also.

Let's not rewrite history.

How many of today's players were regulars on defence under Moyes? Baines and Jags and not much else. And as much as I loathed Moyes for, among many other things, his abhorrent "knife to a gunfight" mentality, I do recall a lot of grind-it-out 1-0 wins in the season we finished fourth (and we did that with a minus-1 goal difference, which speaks volumes to his lack of attacking nous). In fact, of Moyes' 11 full seasons in charge, his team surrendered 50 goals or more in just one season -- his second. Martinez did that in each of his final two seasons and the utter nightmare that has been Koeman/Allardyce is on course to be the worst since Walter Smith's last season.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

You really are deluded when it comes to Martinez, especially when hearing your views on David Moyes who progressed the club in a way Roberto Martinez could only dream of. By the end of Moyes' tenure it did feel like him moving on was right for all involved. In hindsight though, the day Moyes left was the day our decline started and instead of stability we've now had 3 car crash seasons in 5. Unless Moshiri can utilise his finances appropriately to turn the current mess around, then we will end up as just another (Premier League version of) West Ham or Newcastle where midtable finishes are acceptable, or potentially slip back to 1990's Everton where the relegation threat is always there.

Moyes took the club from bottom half strugglers often looking over our shoulder at relegation to a consistent top 7 side with numerous finishes above the so called untouchable elite group of clubs now in the top 6 like Spurs and Liverpool. Martinez had one excellent season before turning us in to a bottom half shambles of a side two years running. We are now so far behind those top 6 it is embarrassing.

As I was going back earlier through the Fulham 2-2 Everton game back in 2012 for stuff on Fellaini seeing an infuriating draw where we inevitably did that typical Everton thing where we threw away a great chance to push on, I couldn't help but notice this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/20107627

'Despite climbing to fourth in the table after stretching their unbeaten league run to seven games, this was definitely a case of two points dropped for Everton, who dominated from start to finish.'

Oh how I wish a frustrating draw left us in 4th position these days and hear an opposition manager say:

"Everton dominated us, all we could do was try to be positive. They are a very good footballing team. They are a settled team and know exactly what to do. Normally we are a good team, but I couldn't see that today."

We finished 6th that season, finishing above the RS where it was probably considered an underachieving season. Yet under that fraud Martinez we'd suffer a frustrating result like the above and end up in 13th at the end of it with no hope for the rest of the season. I know which I preferred.

I think a lot of people forget that the season before Martinez came the team was playing some “phenomenal” football. You did not have to be Nostradamus to sign Lukaku, and I believe the team would have done just as well with Moyes at the helm that season. The team also had a CL spot in its grasp under Roberto, but collapsed. It was as if teams figured out his system and then he could not adapt and tweak his tactics

 

[BernieH]

The one thing I will say in Roberto's favour, at least he went out to try and win games, he never went looking for a draw. Now, he failed miserably seasons 2 and 3 because we couldn't defend but the 'philosophy'(hate that word) at least was to attack and try to win. Not this utter rubbish we watch now that has no intention of trying to win, problem is both approaches have yielded the same performances and results.

 

[Blackwell Livermore]

Really? People forget so quickly, Martinez isnt and never was a good manager. Without Moyes’ defensive drilling of players, everything went to sh*t. Thats not the sign of a good manager. Id rather have BFS all day.

The depths to which we have sunk.

 

[hktoffee]

Would rather have Pickford than Stones. Who signed John Stones?

Moyes. Who offered us Lukaku on loan? Chelsea.

 

[Steve Wigan]

I've always had a theory that Robertos 'Road To Damascus' moment was when Chelsea with Costa put 6 past us at GP. Almost from that moment we started passing sideways and forgot that we were succeeding by getting the ball forward at pace and flair. Bobby needed a defensive coach to help him,and the funds to strengthen with players who understood his philosophy. His ideal and ambition was great,but some sub standard players couldn't be arsed working in his system, or weren't good enough, so they downed tools.

 

[ilikecheese]

Strange people.