The 2 years since Martinez left.

[Huyton Layne]

It clear what happened. Everyone knows it as the players explained. Martinez didn't do defensive drills. Didn't practice set pieces. The defense were rigorously drilled by Moyes and that faded over time and the team became a Martinez team. He's gash, get over it. He'll probably succeed internationally as he can't stop the defenders from training the things they need to day in day out.

Burn this thread.

 

[Aberblue]

Yeah, Jewell and Bruce will be remembered forever by Wigan supporters. Keeping a club that had no right to be in the PL given its scale of resources just in it. Martinez handed them the equivalent of the World Cup. I think that'll stand the test of time compared to those two bozo's contribution to Wigan.


This from someone who cant let go of the dullard Moyes.

Lol.

I don't know where you get the idea that I want Moyes back; I don't want him here.

Your obsession with Martinez doesn't do you any favours.

 

[Rook]

Martinez and Rodgers caught the league off-guard that year. Nobody cared about what they were doing when they were at Wigan and Swansea and they both walked into talented sides. In year 2 clubs got wise to what they were doing, clogged up the midfield and hoofed it to the wide open flanks. Neither adjusted, and one got fired before the other.

I think Martinez is a decent manager. His style and/or tactics are really no different than Pep's (though Pep can manage egos better and has the power to bin players on 200K week). Its just he's probably best suited for relegation fodder or title contenders. That former where the fanbase can stomach those 5 match losing streaks becuase the footie is fun and you usually score enough to get enough W's to stay up (see Eddie Howe) and that latter being that talent can play any style, you have enough $$$ to cover over deficiences. We're neither, even though we tried our best to be relegation fodder this year.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Some desperation short memories.

As bad as we've been this season, we've still in the top 10.

Martinez has us finish in the bottom half two seasons on the spin.

 

[canuckblue]

So what does THAT tell you?

That the wrong men were picked for the job, Walsh included. The players carry a lot of the blame as well, especially the cowards like Schneiderlin. Still doesn't deflect from the fact Martinez' weaknesses overwhelmed his strengths.

 

[toffee-L]

Which seasons were killed off? The first one? Obviously not. The second one when we were still in European competition until March? The third one when we were in the hunt for a trophy still by April?

Sorry, every time you elaborate you make less sense.

Well we were talking about the league seasons before you conviently brought up the European run and the cup semi finals. Obviously I was referring to Seasons 2 and 3, terrible, awful seasons league wise. Season 1 was our best season in premier league history (points wise) which you love to bring up. Seasons 2 and 3 were two of our worst which you always gloss over by the European run and two cup semi finals.

I should be amazed that you bring up the second seasons Europa League run. We made the last 16, woopdie do (so did David Moyes). Unlike David Moyes, who very unluckily crashed out on penalties to a good team (this was after we beat the eventual winners in the group phase), Martinez managed to spunk a first leg lead against a very ordinary team and we got annihilated 5-2 in the return. Why the hell do you continually bring this up as some kind of achievement. It was a disaster, just like that whole season and the one after it.

No friend, I think its you we're not getting much sense out of.

 

[BernieH]

'Leaking goals for fun'

Yet we've conceded considerably more this season than in any of Martinez's I believe

Definitely and that's why Koeman was sacked and Allardyce needs to go. It doesn't make Martinez tenure any better than it was just because we are still crap 2 years later.

 

[hktoffee]

I know you're not the sharpest tool in the box. None of this makes one iota of sense in the context of the thread.

It's like reading the posts of a drunk dog whose found the crayon set...

Then don't reply it but you are arsed because you are making replies.

Or 11th place trophy is something to championing about. Good grief. Naive.

 

[davek]

Some desperation short memories.

As bad as we've been this season, we've still in the top 10.

Martinez has us finish in the bottom half two seasons on the spin.

At least one of those last two seasons wasn't a write off though if we include all competitions.

And is there a major difference between coming 11th and coming 7th or 9th after spending the thick end of £300M to shift us up a level?

 

[CrustySack]

I'll tell you why that was. We had Moshiri just in the club by then and many people thought he could fulfil ambitions by bringing a great new manager to the club who'd spend a lot of cash and make us a force again.

How 'kin wrong were they?

Lol.

In some respects I agree with you Dave. What I will say is even if Moshiri hadn't come in when he did, the situation was still toxic and wouldn't have stalled the inevitable sacking of Martinez. With Moshiri coming in when he did, it changed Evertonian attitudes overnight (Myself included). There was a sense of 'the sooner this Martinez is out, the sooner we can crack on with this new ambitious Everton'.

It is a shame that Moshiri didn't come in at the same time as Martinez because the extra transfer funds might have kicked us on beyond that first season. We will never know now.

 

[Zatara]

Then don't reply it but you are arsed because you are making replies.

Or 11th place trophy is something to championing about. Good grief. Naive.

Keep praising Koeman, Cuco and Bolasie...

I see you want Everton to sign Balotelli...

Have a word with yourself...

 

[davek]

I don't know where you get the idea that I want Moyes back; I don't want him here.

Your obsession with Martinez doesn't do you any favours.

I see a manager who tried to bravely shift the dial for us at this club and he didn't manage it. I'll support a manager like that 100% because it's exactly what we need in any future manager.

He failed? Ok yes, no problem, with that. But he did enough here to demonstrate the way forward for us on the pitch. That legacy should be acknowledged not ridiculed or brushed under the carpet.

 

[BernieH]

At least one of those last two seasons wasn't a write off though if we include all competitions.

And is there a major difference between coming 11th and coming 7th or 9th after spending the thick end of £300M to shift us up a level?

No on that score we have been abysmal, the spending out of control and the due diligence seemingly non existent. I guess we will never know If Bobby could have bought better but looking at the signings he made, doubtful, I mean could we really truly not have got better than Niasse for £13m. It's just been a continuation of disaster after disaster and it all started under Martinez.

 

[davek]

That the wrong men were picked for the job, Walsh included. The players carry a lot of the blame as well, especially the cowards like Schneiderlin. Still doesn't deflect from the fact Martinez' weaknesses overwhelmed his strengths.

Truth be known - they were awful under Moyes at basic defending also.

Let's not rewrite history.

 

[davek]

In some respects I agree with you Dave. What I will say is even if Moshiri hadn't come in when he did, the situation was still toxic and wouldn't have stalled the inevitable sacking of Martinez. With Moshiri coming in when he did, it changed Evertonian attitudes overnight (Myself included). There was a sense of 'the sooner this Martinez is out, the sooner we can crack on with this new ambitious Everton'.

It is a shame that Moshiri didn't come in at the same time as Martinez because the extra transfer funds might have kicked us on beyond that first season. We will never know now.

I agree 100%. The situation was beyond it. He had to go.

A manager like him trying to do what he wanted to do with the players he had was too ambitious. However, the man can manage. There is no question of that.