The 2 years since Martinez left.

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[Bluewolf]

Well some of thought that when all the knives were out for him.

It baffles me how people couldn’t see the positive in Martinez. Yes, he focused on attacking & not so much defence, but so does Guardiola. Aside from his recent blip, he’s doing OK...

Martinez had a paper thin squad, with a lack of cover & an aging defence. He had a keeper who’d been fantastic for us, who was dropping clangers & couldn’t sweep. That must have drained confidence through the team.

That first season of his was the best in 30 years, both in points & entertainment. Unfortunately, the investment wasn’t there, but he managed to attract exciting loan moved like Lukaku & Deulofeu.

Despite the lack of investment, he still took us to 2 semis in his last season, where we missed out narrowly in both. Thanks to out lack of squad, we had Besic struggling at right back, they had a £60m sub to score the winner, when it looked like we would grab it.

If Martinez had been given half of what Koeman had, we’d be a lot better of now. No question.

Martinez in his first season spent 31 million. Then 43 million in his second season. Then 45 million in his third season. Martinez had money, plenty of it and apart from lukaku he spent it on crap.

He set this club back 5 years minimum and apart from everything else the players didn't respect him. Everyone after he left came out and said he was a joke and let players do whatever they wanted to. There was no discipline and the players had no stamina. We used to conced in the last 15 minutes of every game. The reason we had a good away record (which wasn't even that good really) was because of the everton fans making it difficult for the players to play well at goodison. He said that! That the fans were the problem to his crap, boring, frustrating and ineffective "brand" of football.

It was our fault because we didnt like watching our team get spanked every week, we didn't like watching a keeper well past his sell by date throwing the ball into the back of his net every week, we didn't like our defenders doing cruff turns in the box, we didn't like a useless manager coming out every week in his post match press conference and blaming everyone else because he isn't man enough to take responsibility for anything.

He was a absolutely horrendous manager and the only reason people are looking fondly at him now is because of the crap we're watching now. Well I remember and I remember it being a hell of a lot worse.

The man was poison he ruined Wigan and he was one season away from ruining us. Don't kid yourselves lukaku, stones, Barkley, Baines and del were all ready to walk out if he hadn't of gotten sacked when he did. Lost all of throes players in one summer and he would of bought more crap like cleverly and mori and kone and alcaraz and mcgeedy and nassie and Rodriguez and Joel. Then were would we of been?

 

[hktoffee]

The last Everton Manager to be given the so called "3 years to get it right" timescale.
Since then we have-
lost both visits to Burnley,
both visits to Southampton,
both visits to Bournemouth,
both visits to Watford,
won neither trips to relegation haunted Swansea,failed to win this season at woeful West Brom failed to win last season at relegated Middlesbrough or terrible West Ham and have not beaten a top 7 side home or away this season in 14 attempts.
Clearly keep sacking managers isn't the answer and maybe with hindsight Martinez should have been given Moshiris' millions to get it right.

Just no, the fraud would have relegated this football club. People have short term memories.

 

[Blues Harp]

The last Everton Manager to be given the so called "3 years to get it right" timescale.
Since then we have-
lost both visits to Burnley,
both visits to Southampton,
both visits to Bournemouth,
both visits to Watford,
won neither trips to relegation haunted Swansea,failed to win this season at woeful West Brom failed to win last season at relegated Middlesbrough or terrible West Ham and have not beaten a top 7 side home or away this season in 14 attempts.
Clearly keep sacking managers isn't the answer and maybe with hindsight Martinez should have been given Moshiris' millions to get it right.

Bye....

 

[i started duncan chant]

He won 4 of the 18 league games at home in his final season. Sam has won more not that I am a fan of Sam !!

 

[hktoffee]

Why would we have gone down, we had no problems winning away games under him and the defensive shambles was largely down to the ongoing Stones saga.

Because that was the trend on how things turned out.

He won 21 games from 75 league games in 2 seasons and that was relegation form. Thus he was sacked, rightfully.

 

[hktoffee]

He won 4 of the 18 league games at home in his final season. Sam has won more not that I am a fan of Sam !!

And lost about 8/9 at home in one single season in the league. Horrendous record.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The last Everton Manager to be given the so called "3 years to get it right" timescale.
Since then we have-
lost both visits to Burnley,
both visits to Southampton,
both visits to Bournemouth,
both visits to Watford,
won neither trips to relegation haunted Swansea,failed to win this season at woeful West Brom failed to win last season at relegated Middlesbrough or terrible West Ham and have not beaten a top 7 side home or away this season in 14 attempts.
Clearly keep sacking managers isn't the answer and maybe with hindsight Martinez should have been given Moshiris' millions to get it right.

No he was a fraud, who got found out, an awful tactician and he’d lost the dressing room well before he was rightly sacked.

 

[davek]

It's so easy to forget just how toxic those last few months were.

Under Roberto, we took the classic one step forward and two steps back. He kept making the same mistakes week in week out, but everything was phenomenal according to him. His press conferences became more and more bizarre.

The team lost discipline and was largely unfit because of him. His backroom staff was also uninspired.

He had a good first season bounce, helped by the stability left by Moyes, but the negatives just wracked up thereafter. He simply had to go.

I'll tell you why that was. We had Moshiri just in the club by then and many people thought he could fulfil ambitions by bringing a great new manager to the club who'd spend a lot of cash and make us a force again.

How 'kin wrong were they?

Lol.

 

[davek]

Ha ha - as soon as Roberto’s approach had supplanted Moyes’ the team went in free fall. I cannot remember a performance as dire as that Europa League exit.

Moyes's approach.

Dinosaur football that near killed Man Utd, West Ham and Real Sociedad, and did kill (forever it looks like) Sunderland.

But keep up the adulation of a man who's the laughing stock of football.

 

[davek]

Fellaini was a good signing.

Opinions are like arseholes though - everybody has to listen to yours..

Has there ever been an opinion you've passed on Everton that's been remotely worthwhile?

 

[davek]

Doubled our investment on Fellaini and I’d have him back in a second.

Just a dog of a player, all elbows and wobbly head. He had a few good games up front making a nuisance of himself.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

We are currently only one single league win away for quelling the grand total of league wins Martinez managed individually in both 14-15 and 15-16. Yeah that's right, people are still after all this time pining after the fool who in his second and third season delivered a grand total of twelve league wins on both occasions and had us in all probability finish lower in the table then a managerial team that has consisted of Moonhead, Rhino and BFS. Let that settle in then tell me you'd still want that laughable fraud back. We have made two terrible managerial appointments since he left but as bad as they are they are neither of them make his appointment and tenure here any less of a disaster then it was.

BTW, yet another Martinez thread? Get in the bin!

 

[Nyhus]

Really? People forget so quickly, Martinez isnt and never was a good manager. Without Moyes’ defensive drilling of players, everything went to sh*t. Thats not the sign of a good manager. Id rather have BFS all day.

 

[hktoffee]

We are currently only one single league win away for quelling the grand total of league wins Martinez managed individually in both 14-15 and 15-16. Yeah that's right, people are still after all this time pining after the fool who in his second and third season delivered a grand total of twelve league wins on both occasions and had us in all probability finish lower in the table then a managerial team that has consisted of Moonhead, Rhino and BFS. Let that settle in then tell me you'd still want that laughable fraud back. We have made two terrible managerial appointments since he left but as bad as they are they are neither of them make his appointment and tenure here any less of a disaster then it was.

BTW, yet another Martinez thread? Get in the bin!

One of which was under the management of Unsworth too. The Norwich home game.