The 2 years since Martinez left.

[dannyboy]

We had two rotten years under Martinez at a stage when the big teams were struggling. Criminal when you think about the wasted opportunity that was those two seasons.

There's not a chance he could have stayed past that last season given the atmosphere around the club.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

The last Everton Manager to be given the so called "3 years to get it right" timescale.
Since then we have-
lost both visits to Burnley,
both visits to Southampton,
both visits to Bournemouth,
both visits to Watford,
won neither trips to relegation haunted Swansea,failed to win this season at woeful West Brom failed to win last season at relegated Middlesbrough or terrible West Ham and have not beaten a top 7 side home or away this season in 14 attempts.
Clearly keep sacking managers isn't the answer and maybe with hindsight Martinez should have been given Moshiris' millions to get it right.

Well some of thought that when all the knives were out for him.

It baffles me how people couldn’t see the positive in Martinez. Yes, he focused on attacking & not so much defence, but so does Guardiola. Aside from his recent blip, he’s doing OK...

Martinez had a paper thin squad, with a lack of cover & an aging defence. He had a keeper who’d been fantastic for us, who was dropping clangers & couldn’t sweep. That must have drained confidence through the team.

That first season of his was the best in 30 years, both in points & entertainment. Unfortunately, the investment wasn’t there, but he managed to attract exciting loan moved like Lukaku & Deulofeu.

Despite the lack of investment, he still took us to 2 semis in his last season, where we missed out narrowly in both. Thanks to out lack of squad, we had Besic struggling at right back, they had a £60m sub to score the winner, when it looked like we would grab it.

If Martinez had been given half of what Koeman had, we’d be a lot better of now. No question.

 

[MACCA75]

Why would we have gone down, we had no problems winning away games under him and the defensive shambles was largely down to the ongoing Stones saga.

Are you taking the pee? We were getting progressively worse. We were 13th when he was sacked after away games at Liverpool, Leicester and Sunderland had us losing all 3 by 10 goals to 1.

 

[paddock1982]

Well some of thought that when all the knives were out for him.

It baffles me how people couldn’t see the positive in Martinez. Yes, he focused on attacking & not so much defence, but so does Guardiola. Aside from his recent blip, he’s doing OK...

Martinez had a paper thin squad, with a lack of cover & an aging defence. He had a keeper who’d been fantastic for us, who was dropping clangers & couldn’t sweep. That must have drained confidence through the team.

That first season of his was the best in 30 years, both in points & entertainment. Unfortunately, the investment wasn’t there, but he managed to attract exciting loan moved like Lukaku & Deulofeu.

Despite the lack of investment, he still took us to 2 semis in his last season, where we missed out narrowly in both. Thanks to out lack of squad, we had Besic struggling at right back, they had a £60m sub to score the winner, when it looked like we would grab it.

If Martinez had been given half of what Koeman had, we’d be a lot better of now. No question.

Spot on, Howard cost us many victories towards the end of his career and the ref cost us a rare victory at Chelsea adding 8 mins on and giving Terry,s offside goal. We could at least compete with the top sides then .

 

[MACCA75]

Well some of thought that when all the knives were out for him.

It baffles me how people couldn’t see the positive in Martinez. Yes, he focused on attacking & not so much defence, but so does Guardiola. Aside from his recent blip, he’s doing OK...

Martinez had a paper thin squad, with a lack of cover & an aging defence. He had a keeper who’d been fantastic for us, who was dropping clangers & couldn’t sweep. That must have drained confidence through the team.

That first season of his was the best in 30 years, both in points & entertainment. Unfortunately, the investment wasn’t there, but he managed to attract exciting loan moved like Lukaku & Deulofeu.

Despite the lack of investment, he still took us to 2 semis in his last season, where we missed out narrowly in both. Thanks to out lack of squad, we had Besic struggling at right back, they had a £60m sub to score the winner, when it looked like we would grab it.

If Martinez had been given half of what Koeman had, we’d be a lot better of now. No question.

Go through all his signings. Absolute dross most of them. God knows who he would have signed.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Give me strength

 

[deipnosophist]

I'd love Capt Jags to become our next manager. What a leader!!

 

[gianthogweed]

Some people have short memories Everton were dreadful under Roberto

 

[billyblue80]

Well some of thought that when all the knives were out for him.

It baffles me how people couldn’t see the positive in Martinez. Yes, he focused on attacking & not so much defence, but so does Guardiola. Aside from his recent blip, he’s doing OK...

Martinez had a paper thin squad, with a lack of cover & an aging defence. He had a keeper who’d been fantastic for us, who was dropping clangers & couldn’t sweep. That must have drained confidence through the team.

That first season of his was the best in 30 years, both in points & entertainment. Unfortunately, the investment wasn’t there, but he managed to attract exciting loan moved like Lukaku & Deulofeu.

Despite the lack of investment, he still took us to 2 semis in his last season, where we missed out narrowly in both. Thanks to out lack of squad, we had Besic struggling at right back, they had a £60m sub to score the winner, when it looked like we would grab it.

If Martinez had been given half of what Koeman had, we’d be a lot better of now. No question.

True but he also signed alot of dross even when we didn't have much dough.

 

[paulf]

Well some of thought that when all the knives were out for him.

It baffles me how people couldn’t see the positive in Martinez. Yes, he focused on attacking & not so much defence, but so does Guardiola. Aside from his recent blip, he’s doing OK...

Martinez had a paper thin squad, with a lack of cover & an aging defence. He had a keeper who’d been fantastic for us, who was dropping clangers & couldn’t sweep. That must have drained confidence through the team.

That first season of his was the best in 30 years, both in points & entertainment. Unfortunately, the investment wasn’t there, but he managed to attract exciting loan moved like Lukaku & Deulofeu.

Despite the lack of investment, he still took us to 2 semis in his last season, where we missed out narrowly in both. Thanks to out lack of squad, we had Besic struggling at right back, they had a £60m sub to score the winner, when it looked like we would grab it.

If Martinez had been given half of what Koeman had, we’d be a lot better of now. No question.

Take me now lord

 

[Grfirestorm]

How far back do we go, what could Moyes have done with this money, how about Joe Royle if he'd been given a few quid? Martinez had a great team he wasted two seasons with, it was criminal how bad we finished in the league. What we have shown the last few years is poor managerial choices. We never expected Moyes to leave and had no backup plan. Martinez was a knee jerk reaction to him fluking a cup win, relegating Wigan should have been a warning. We sack Koeman, have no plan and end up with Sam on a 18 month contract ffs.

 

[4737carlin]

He had to go at that time, it was the correct thing to do, however im not convinced if he would of stayed that we would be that much worse off now. We were awful and would of stayed awful, as opposed to having one decent season then going back to being awful.

All the more reasn why this summer we have to get it right, no messing about

 

[davek]

Three seasons here:

• 5th place finish - highest points total we've seen since HKI (and are likely to see for another decade), 21 wins from 38 games; football played on the deck the Everton Way
• Two mid-table finishes
• Two cup SFs; Rd of 16 in the EL

That now looks like a golden age....but "we were dreadful under Roberto"....the cup winner guiding one of the WC favourites.


No wonder so many fell for that Dutch divvy Koeman who killed the club, and still give credibility to the bellend who hired him.

 

[davek]

How far back do we go, what could Moyes have done with this money, how about Joe Royle if he'd been given a few quid? Martinez had a great team he wasted two seasons with, it was criminal how bad we finished in the league. What we have shown the last few years is poor managerial choices. We never expected Moyes to leave and had no backup plan. Martinez was a knee jerk reaction to him fluking a cup win, relegating Wigan should have been a warning. We sack Koeman, have no plan and end up with Sam on a 18 month contract ffs.

Nothing. He was useless with big cash. Club record buys on trash like Bilyaletdinov, smackheads like Beattie, and a galoot like Fellaini.

 

[MACCA75]

Nothing. He was useless with big cash. Club record buys on trash like Bilyaletdinov, smackheads like Beattie, and a galoot like Fellaini.

Fellaini was a good signing.

Opinions are like arseholes though - everybody has to listen to yours..