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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Correct mate. Martinez developed and/or bought talent that brought in about £150M quid on just two of them...which was promptly thrown down the toilet by that Dutch disaster.
Thomasc
Formerly known as By God I'm Blue
These are all stats about who spent what mean very little Zat.
As I said earlier, he took over a side that was a consistent top 6 finisher and left them in a worse position when he was potted. He took us backwards.
That is the major overriding factor and one that cannot be ignored.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
You are missing the point. While I agree the signings under Koeman are not value for money there are two points you are unaware of.
1. Koeman worked with Walsh so to blame everyone on him is unjust.
2. There is a massive inflation in the transfer market in the last couple of years so ￡13m spent in 2013 for McCarthy probably worths more than double in 2017.
Stones was a Moyes signing.
Lukaku no question about him he's a great signing.
McCarthy, Niasse and Funes Mori I am not sure about them hopefully we can recoup most money back (unlikely).
Oh and good, resorting to question the duration of my supporting the team is the best you can do. I probably support Everton longer than you.
I dislike Martinez because he was full of crap and he took the team backwards, simple.
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TraffordBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
You really are deluded when it comes to Martinez, especially when hearing your views on David Moyes who progressed the club in a way Roberto Martinez could only dream of. By the end of Moyes' tenure it did feel like him moving on was right for all involved. In hindsight though, the day Moyes left was the day our decline started and instead of stability we've now had 3 car crash seasons in 5. Unless Moshiri can utilise his finances appropriately to turn the current mess around, then we will end up as just another (Premier League version of) West Ham or Newcastle where midtable finishes are acceptable, or potentially slip back to 1990's Everton where the relegation threat is always there.
Moyes took the club from bottom half strugglers often looking over our shoulder at relegation to a consistent top 7 side with numerous finishes above the so called untouchable elite group of clubs now in the top 6 like Spurs and Liverpool. Martinez had one excellent season before turning us in to a bottom half shambles of a side two years running. We are now so far behind those top 6 it is embarrassing.
As I was going back earlier through the Fulham 2-2 Everton game back in 2012 for stuff on Fellaini seeing an infuriating draw where we inevitably did that typical Everton thing where we threw away a great chance to push on, I couldn't help but notice this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/20107627
'Despite climbing to fourth in the table after stretching their unbeaten league run to seven games, this was definitely a case of two points dropped for Everton, who dominated from start to finish.'
Oh how I wish a frustrating draw left us in 4th position these days and hear an opposition manager say:
"Everton dominated us, all we could do was try to be positive. They are a very good footballing team. They are a settled team and know exactly what to do. Normally we are a good team, but I couldn't see that today."
We finished 6th that season, finishing above the RS where it was probably considered an underachieving season. Yet under that fraud Martinez we'd suffer a frustrating result like the above and end up in 13th at the end of it with no hope for the rest of the season. I know which I preferred.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
How much they spent + how many players they bought + who has improved the players...
Martinez took over an ageing punching above its weight side and added a couple of relative big money signings a season.
Koeman bought in almost an entire team for huge money and had the benefit of stones money and a developed lukaku
two points you do not aware -- lol
Koeman worked with Walsh so to blame everyone on him is unjust -- Lookman/Pickford/Gana signed by Walsh and the rest by Koeman....Williams, Cuco, Bolasie, Schneiderlin etc lol
There are a massive inflation in the transfer market in the last couple of years so ￡13m spent in 2013 for McCarthy probably worths more than double in 2017. -- McCarthy signed for 13mil and Arsenal wanted him for 20mil+ lukaku signed for 27mil and sold for 75mil+ lol
Stones was a Moyes signing -- Developed by Martinez. lol again
Oh and good, resorting to question the duration of my supporting the team is the best you can do. I probably support Everton longer than you. -- Its a statement, if you keep slating Martinez off but have been championing Koeman, Bolasie, Cuco and others then its totally bizarre. Any fan who watched Mike Walker and Walter Smith sides for example would laugh at your comparisons.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
None of this post has any relevance to the thread....
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
How is that the case though? The season after he left we played better than we had ever played since the days of HKI and won more games and piled up more points than Moyes was ever able to achieve in a season?
The day our decline set in can be traced from the Spurs away game in RMs second season, IMO. That Spurs game showed up the weaknesses in our game with those particular players who were unfit for purpose against that type of pressing. Martinez's biggest mistake was not clearing the decks when in a position of strength in his first full summer here - get shut of the Moyes deadwood that he'd incredibly gotten a great season out of and demand cash to buy players who could play the way he wanted. The bottom fell out of the Martinez era because the players simply would not or could not carry out a plan handed to them.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
Lol guess what if Moyes was given the money not Martinez. It seems some fans are trying to rewrite the history. 11th and 21 wins in 2 seasons were not that bad is it?
You are still ignoring the fact that Koeman needed to work under a director of football. Second, there are massive inflation in the transfer market in the last couple of years. Thirdly, Koeman's spending was granted by Moshiri while it's the new owner decision to sack a crap manager in Martinez after 2 years of crappiness. How can you compare the money spent in 2013 and 2017 and made it out there is no inflation is literally laughable.
You’re absolutely right D. Can’t believe how many people still want to worship Moyes...a decade of absolute dross, no more entertaining than the rubbish we see now.
Job for the Moyes can’t recall anything as bad as the Europa exit....needs to replay the thrashing that Moyes’ Everton received at Goodison from Martinez’s Wigan.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Revisionist nonsense about Martinez. He was a poor manager who recruited poorly and played garbage football. Ditto Koeman, ditto Allardyce. None of them are good enough.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
Oh so you know which signings were signed by who. Unless you are those people who are right up at the club then clearly you made up the list and used that as the "evidence" to backup your case. Lol. I thought you are better than that.
How on earth do you know Arsenal wanted McCarthy for ￡20m other than some journo made up the news and you read that on the internet and believed in it. When did Arsenal put in a bid? Can you answer? No.
Tell you what I was championing Koeman last season for getting 7th and I was championing David Moyes for what he had done to this club but certainly I would not championing a crap manager and made it out 11th and 13th was alright.
You are totally bizarre because you said I was championing Bolasie and Martina when there is nothing you can say and all you can do is assuming something I did not say.
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hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
Some apologists might think 21 wins in 75 were alright afterall.
If Moyes was given the money of Koeman then what would happen?
TraffordBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
I can definitely agree on that regarding the Martinez era. I think McCarthy going off at Wolfsburg played a big part of that. I was at that game in Wolfsburg where it felt like an era of enjoyment was about to begin, and we took the lead against Spurs with a great striker from Mirallas. Once we fell to pieces in that game, our decline did seem to start.
Regarding your last point though, the players acted disgracefully in terms of their effort levels towards the end but Martinez was a cause of it, albeit not the whole problem. Alienated certain players like Baines and had no idea how to hold on to leads which was evidenced on so many occasions - the notable ones being Arsenal (H), Kiev (A), Stoke (H), Bournemouth (A), Chelsea (A), Man City (A) in the Cup SF, West Ham (H).
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