The 2 years since Martinez left.

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Rose tinted glasses. But I do think not enough was made of how the players the players completely downed tools on him.

Would have been interesting to see how he spent the money Koeman and Walsh got this year.

If he could have convinced more Lukaku level players to join us, or if he still would have gone for McGeady/Cleverley types.

Martinez isn't the only one who's had this happen to him here. They did the same under Koeman and Rhino and will do the same under Big Sam or his successor if given time to do so. We've got a truely despicable gang of rats playing for us right now and have for a while. Only three or four players give a dam about their teammates, the manager, the fans or any other part of the club.

 

[BrendanGOT]

At the end of the day, he's not coming back. He's gone so most of what's being discussed in here is futile. Maybe he should've been given more time, maybe not. His reign wasn't perfect like some make out. Everton should aim for a similar style of play and next manager needs to be given time by our fans for sure.

 

[Joey66]

We have gone backwards spending more money than he had- a big if he had stayed and got the funds what would have happened it's dire football ATM!

 

[Saint Domingo]

Some apologists might think 21 wins in 75 were alright afterall.

If Moyes was given the money of Koeman then what would happen?

How can anyone compare that clown Martinez to Moyes.

 

[toffee-L]

That's wrong. The second season we hit a terrible patch in the middle third that put us right under the cosh, but the final third of the season was turned right around - we won 6 of the last 10 games and drew one. So where does that leave your theory?

My "theory" was that when the team started to struggle they would hit massive patches of dreadful form that would kill the season. Won 6 of the last 10 games in the second season? Well thank god for that because we were in a very precarious position before that and teams like Hull were taking the piss out of us. That run doesn't change the fact that the season was a dead duck way before that point because Martinez didn't have a clue what was going on and how to stop the slide.

Martinez did have many qualities as we saw in his first season but as I said in my first post he was very poor at arresting bad runs of form. The team didn't just blip under Martinez, it combusted. He obviously limped over the line in season 2 but he was rightly driven out of town in season 3 when the wheels well and truly fell off.

 

[davek]

Revisionist nonsense about Martinez. He was a poor manager who recruited poorly and played garbage football. Ditto Koeman, ditto Allardyce. None of them are good enough.

How does a poor manger resurrect a football club from oblivion to one who were a step away from the PL when he left (and only got there in the end when Rodgers continued the method laid down by said "poor manager")?; How does a poor manager win a trophy for an ale house team against the wealthiest club in Europe with class players in every position?; how does a poor manager bring us a season with 21 wins out of 38 games and a record points total in the PL that wont be beaten for years to come?; How does a poor manager take a team to the WC in their best ever qualifying campaign (or, indeed, become hired by said team in the first place, given they are one of the best international outfits in the world)?

You're assertion is preposterous.

By all means highlight how the Martinez experiment here quickly unravelled (and with a lot of it due to his own mistakes) but to call that feller a "poor manager" beggars belief. It's just lazy BS.

 

[Zatara]

Oh so you know which signings were signed by who. Unless you are those people who are right up at the club then clearly you made up the list and used that as the "evidence" to backup your case. Lol. I thought you are better than that.

How on earth do you know Arsenal wanted McCarthy for ￡20m other than some journo made up the news and you read that on the internet and believed in it. When did Arsenal put in a bid? Can you answer? No.

Tell you what I was championing Koeman last season for getting 7th and I was championing David Moyes for what he had done to this club but certainly I would not championing a crap manager and made it out 11th and 13th was alright.
You are totally bizarre because you said I was championing Bolasie and Martina when there is nothing you can say and all you can do is assuming something I did not say.

Some apologists might think 21 wins in 75 were alright afterall.

If Moyes was given the money of Koeman then what would happen?

I know you're not the sharpest tool in the box. None of this makes one iota of sense in the context of the thread.

It's like reading the posts of a drunk dog whose found the crayon set...

 

[davek]

How can anyone compare that clown Martinez to Moyes.

I'd never compare Martinez to Moyes. The former is a football manager capable of bold attacking football; the latter is a disciplinarian with no aptitude to outwit any decent opposition. Moyes underlined what an utter duffer he was and is when he left here. Found out for the talentless dullard he is.

 

[canuckblue]

Martinez isn't the only one who's had this happen to him here. They did the same under Koeman and Rhino and will do the same under Big Sam or his successor if given time to do so. We've got a truely despicable gang of rats playing for us right now and have for a while. Only three or four players give a dam about their teammates, the manager, the fans or any other part of the club.

Nailhead, meet hammer.

 

[davek]

My "theory" was that when the team started to struggle they would hit massive patches of dreadful form that would kill the season. Won 6 of the last 10 games in the second season? Well thank god for that because we were in a very precarious position before that and teams like Hull were taking the piss out of us. That run doesn't change the fact that the season was a dead duck way before that point because Martinez didn't have a clue what was going on and how to stop the slide.

Martinez did have many qualities as we saw in his first season but as I said in my first post he was very poor at arresting bad runs of form. The team didn't just blip under Martinez, it combusted. He obviously limped over the line in season 2 but he was rightly driven out of town in season 3 when the wheels well and truly fell off.

Which seasons were killed off? The first one? Obviously not. The second one when we were still in European competition until March? The third one when we were in the hunt for a trophy still by April?

Sorry, every time you elaborate you make less sense.

 

[Aberblue]

How does a poor manger resurrect a football club from oblivion to one who were a step away from the PL when he left (and only got there in the end when Rodgers continued the method laid down by said "poor manager")?; How does a poor manager win a trophy for an ale house team against the wealthiest club in Europe with class players in every position?; how does a poor manager bring us a season with 21 wins out of 38 games and a record points total in the PL that wont be beaten for years to come?; How does a poor manager take a team to the WC in their best ever qualifying campaign (or, indeed, become hired by said team in the first place, given they are one of the best international outfits in the world)?

You're assertion is preposterous.

By all means highlight how the Martinez experiment here quickly unravelled (and with a lot of it due to his own mistakes) but to call that feller a "poor manager" beggars belief. It's just lazy BS.

His record with Wigan, where he failed to match Steve Bruce and Paul Jewel's feats, show he's not a good manager. "But he won the CUP"; yes, by basically getting two wins, against us and Man City, who thought that sacking their manager on the morning of the Cup Final was a good idea.

I really think it would do you good to forget about Martinez. Support the club, not a manager who's never going to return.

 

[canuckblue]

I'd never compare Martinez to Moyes. The former is a football manager capable of bold attacking football; the latter is a disciplinarian with no aptitude to outwit any decent opposition. Moyes underlined what an utter duffer he was and is when he left here. Found out for the talentless dullard he is.

Martinez may have been capable of coaching bold, attacking football but he was clueless when it came to coaching how to defend against same. His results in his last two seasons suggest the latter outweighed the former. The sad part is his successors (and I'm omitting Rhino from the list) were ostensibly adept at coaching defence and have turned out just as clueless in that department, with the added disadvantage of being equally inept at attack.

 

[davek]

His record with Wigan, where he failed to match Steve Bruce and Paul Jewel's feats, show he's not a good manager. "But he won the CUP"; yes, by basically getting two wins, against us and Man City, who thought that sacking their manager on the morning of the Cup Final was a good idea.

Yeah, Jewell and Bruce will be remembered forever by Wigan supporters. Keeping a club that had no right to be in the PL given its scale of resources just in it. Martinez handed them the equivalent of the World Cup. I think that'll stand the test of time compared to those two bozo's contribution to Wigan.

I really think it would do you good to forget about Martinez. Support the club, not a manager who's never going to return.

This from someone who cant let go of the dullard Moyes.

Lol.

 

[billy bluestar]

The last Everton Manager to be given the so called "3 years to get it right" timescale.
Since then we have-
lost both visits to Burnley,
both visits to Southampton,
both visits to Bournemouth,
both visits to Watford,
won neither trips to relegation haunted Swansea,failed to win this season at woeful West Brom failed to win last season at relegated Middlesbrough or terrible West Ham and have not beaten a top 7 side home or away this season in 14 attempts.
Clearly keep sacking managers isn't the answer and maybe with hindsight Martinez should have been given Moshiris' millions to get it right.

You must be forgetting the utter dirge that was being served up at the time of his sacking.

 

[davek]

Martinez may have been capable of coaching bold, attacking football but he was clueless when it came to coaching how to defend against same. His results in his last two seasons suggest the latter outweighed the former. The sad part is his successors (and I'm omitting Rhino from the list) were ostensibly adept at coaching defence and have turned out just as clueless in that department, with the added disadvantage of being equally inept at attack.

So what does THAT tell you?