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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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It makes you wonder why the City was lobbying so hard for the access they currently enjoy to remain if it's so meaningless, doesn't it?

They will lose some business, it’s inevitable. But they won’t stand still moaning about it, they will look to find a way in and fill their boots elsewhere. It’s what they do and they are the best in the world at doing it. Of all the things to worry about, London’s Financial Services isn’t one of them. If I was in the EU I would be more concerned about continuing access......
 
I know the reason, yes. Cos he said it himself.

To paraphrase, "We have to maintain access for clients who require access to EU denominated asset classes in the event of a No Deal for financial services post Brexit"

Swap Morgan Stanley for Somerset Investments, then join the dots.

Should be some really cheap property coming up for sale in London any day then, I’ll keep my eye open.....
 
Should be some really cheap property coming up for sale in London any day then, I’ll keep my eye open.....

Dont think so. Its not the movement of people, cos like you have said, London will remain a major financial hub, and all this transferring of assets is just buttons on a keyboard.

But billions and billions will be moved. With the attendant reduction in fees and profit.

Think Amazon having a base in Dublin, (for tax basically), then lob viagra on it.

Over time, stuff will settle down, it always does with money and gilts and stuff, but its the uncertainty that is occupying the minds of folk who can shift billions probably quicker than this post took to write.

Good folk, like Jacob Rees Mogg.
 
Whatever each of us think of the whole saga, nobody knows with certainty where the story goes next. Those that claim to know are deluded.

What can be guaranteed is that there will be twists and turns leading to significant unintended consequences, that nobody has even thought of. You don’t change the rules of the game, which have evolved over 50 years in response to changing world circumstances and end up with certainty.

Business will work out how to carry on doing what it does most efficiently, caring not a jot about Brexitland. If it is to their benefit to base and grow their business here, as opposed to the EU or elsewhere, they will. If they think the new rules create hassle, barriers and cost they can eliminate by going elsewhere, that’s what they will do.

As with all the tax lawyers who have created their own complex avoidance industry, there will be an army of advisors created to exploit the loopholes, gaps and unintended opportunities the changed circumstances present. They can usually run rings round governments.

We could possibly, have unknowingly created the conditions where the UK will prosper mightily in the future, or there again, perhaps not.

What the government can’t possibly know is how all the remaining players in the global game react.

We are now all pawns in that game. The risks to our interests must be greater, because of the unknowns, uncertainties and the fact we have chosen to go it alone, disrespecting our nearest and natural allies in the process.
 
Whatever each of us think of the whole saga, nobody knows with certainty where the story goes next. Those that claim to know are deluded.

What can be guaranteed is that there will be twists and turns leading to significant unintended consequences, that nobody has even thought of. You don’t change the rules of the game, which have evolved over 50 years in response to changing world circumstances and end up with certainty.

Business will work out how to carry on doing what it does most efficiently, caring not a jot about Brexitland. If it is to their benefit to base and grow their business here, as opposed to the EU or elsewhere, they will. If they think the new rules create hassle, barriers and cost they can eliminate by going elsewhere, that’s what they will do.

As with all the tax lawyers who have created their own complex avoidance industry, there will be an army of advisors created to exploit the loopholes, gaps and unintended opportunities the changed circumstances present. They can usually run rings round governments.

We could possibly, have unknowingly created the conditions where the UK will prosper mightily in the future, or there again, perhaps not.

What the government can’t possibly know is how all the remaining players in the global game react.

We are now all pawns in that game. The risks to our interests must be greater, because of the unknowns, uncertainties and the fact we have chosen to go it alone, disrespecting our nearest and natural allies in the process.
Excellent post. Basically sums up the whole thing
 
Whatever each of us think of the whole saga, nobody knows with certainty where the story goes next. Those that claim to know are deluded.

What can be guaranteed is that there will be twists and turns leading to significant unintended consequences, that nobody has even thought of. You don’t change the rules of the game, which have evolved over 50 years in response to changing world circumstances and end up with certainty.

Business will work out how to carry on doing what it does most efficiently, caring not a jot about Brexitland. If it is to their benefit to base and grow their business here, as opposed to the EU or elsewhere, they will. If they think the new rules create hassle, barriers and cost they can eliminate by going elsewhere, that’s what they will do.

As with all the tax lawyers who have created their own complex avoidance industry, there will be an army of advisors created to exploit the loopholes, gaps and unintended opportunities the changed circumstances present. They can usually run rings round governments.

We could possibly, have unknowingly created the conditions where the UK will prosper mightily in the future, or there again, perhaps not.

What the government can’t possibly know is how all the remaining players in the global game react.

We are now all pawns in that game. The risks to our interests must be greater, because of the unknowns, uncertainties and the fact we have chosen to go it alone, disrespecting our nearest and natural allies in the process.

I agreed with pretty well everything you wrote until you referred to (the Eu I assumed) our natural allies. We have very few ‘natural allies‘ in Europe.....
 
They will lose some business, it’s inevitable. But they won’t stand still moaning about it, they will look to find a way in and fill their boots elsewhere. It’s what they do and they are the best in the world at doing it. Of all the things to worry about, London’s Financial Services isn’t one of them. If I was in the EU I would be more concerned about continuing access......

Like Jim Ratcliffe, I'm not worried about the banks surviving, but the government are doing this to make things better for this country.
 
Referendum, General Election, WA renegotiation, FTA....remind me again which ones you have been right on......

so you were right about the general election, were you?

Trust me, Corbyn will find an excuse to refuse a GE, washing his hair or something, anything that stops a GE. He is terrified of one.......

You are kidding yourself mate. If Boris were to propose a GE, Corbyn would vote against it. Corbyn knows he cannot beat Boris and will be shown up. Corbyn’s only hope is this ridiculous attempt at becoming an interim PM, and that just won’t flybys even the gullible Tory idiots won’t buy that one.....I hope we do have an election, Boris can get rid of the wishy washy Hammonds of this world, obtain a decent majority and get on with delivering the result of the 2016 referendum......

Jeremy Corbyn could personally write the WA and then he would vote against it because he is only interested in a GE.

Positions have hardened because of the games that have been played......

and about FTA?

Of course a No Deal also helps to keeps the U.K. together. There is much talk of Scotland wanting to stay in the EU and have another independence referendum, but seriously just look at the numbers and what having any form of tariffs to the rest of the U.K. would do to them.....

it wouldn’t matter......we are on the road to no deal....

There are many Remainers and Labour MP’s or ex MP’s who perhaps now wish they had voted for May’s deal. But they didn’t and we all make choices in life. There is no such thing as No Deal. We will have a deal one way or the other, but one way may not be an FTA.....

Meanwhile, it looks like the transition period will end with No Deal. We may as well get used to it and prepare accordingly. The EU are doing cartwheels trying to explain why a deal can’t be done unless we follow their rules, without even once considering that perhaps they should follow our rules. It won’t be reconciled and we should just go our separate ways, remove our military from Europe, cut off military Intelligence, allow the City of London free rein to undercut any financial transaction costs, go to WTO tariffs and do deals with the USA, China, India, etc. If nothing else this whole process has shown just how slow and cumbersome a 27 country bloc is in terms of doing deals and promoting trade. It’s just a large bureaucracy with 27 anchors attached to it........

I'd do more of them but that would require me to read more of your posts, and I haven't drunk enough to do that.
 
so you were right about the general election, were you?







and about FTA?









I'd do more of them but that would require me to read more of your posts, and I haven't drunk enough to do that.

No, you should keep going....I got 4 right you got none...4-0 to me......in fact I even forgot about the Theresa May win....5-0.....oh and while you were doing all that we beat Sheffield Utd 1-0......
 
no, you supported the winning side pete - you weren't right

there is a difference, though I understand if you can't tell the difference

It’s a long thread. I called the referendum correctly, the first GE correctly, the second GE correctly, the WA reopening, the FTA, I even said we would do a deal on fishing and suggested 5 years...meanwhile you got nothing right and continue in the same vein today.....
 
It’s a long thread. I called the referendum correctly, the first GE correctly, the second GE correctly, the WA reopening, the FTA, I even said we would do a deal on fishing and suggested 5 years...meanwhile you got nothing right and continue in the same vein today.....

You didn't, pete. Look at your words above - you thought we were heading for no deal (we werent), you thought Corbyn both would and wouldn't back a GE (he did). Didn't you also think Johnson would be a disaster as PM?
 
You didn't, pete. Look at your words above - you thought we were heading for no deal (we werent), you thought Corbyn both would and wouldn't back a GE (he did). Didn't you also think Johnson would be a disaster as PM?

There have been many words within this 5 year thread, none of yours have been correct, ever. Christ, let it go man, you backed the wrong side consistently and have spent the evening pouring over posts while Everton moved to 2nd in the league. Haha...I even called the Bernard substitution correctly.... Try and be happy, in a few days we are out of the transition period, completely free to do as we wish. Move on, you will discover that life is too short......
 
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