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[Blues Harp]

The PM may call a GE....

The pm cannot call a. GE off his own bat...5 Year term parliament's? Keep up.

 

[peteblue]

Nope.

Blair’s government came closest, but even then lobby hacks were reporting stories that Campbell had told them. It was dirty, but it is journalism and they reported what they had been told.

The difference now is that a lot of the sources and the people putting it out are members of the same faction and actively push the material as part of politics rather than journalism.

Look at the Mail for example, who employ Harry Cole as Deputy Political Editor. Cole is a mate of Paul Staines (who runs the Guido blog, where Cole used to work), is Carrie’s ex-boyfriend and has via various blogs and stories been putting out pro-Tory material for years - which should not surprise anyone as he was Vice Chair of his university Tory Party, and was prominent in Conservative Future (the youth wing later run by Mark Clarke).

So basically there is now no difference between journalist and propagandist, they are the same person. Papers always used to back a side but they rarely if ever actually became one of the sides.

This is phenomenally dangerous, for journalism especially - why should the protections that journalists have (and need to have to be effective) be maintained if they are just party mouthpieces?

good point...

 

[Barnfred 55]

Joey, No Deal just became LESS likely, not more ffs

Maybe, maybe not. In my opinion it has made a general election more likely. It then depends on which side, if any, get a majority.

 

[Kurt.]

Can’t wait to read pete’s mental gymnastics later telling us how good this is for Johnson lol

 

[peteblue]

Agree about Campbell..as vile a piece of humanity as the Red tories employed.....the mainstream press at the time was still weighted in the tories' favour. Sorry did I agree with you there?

yes you did, and I’ve bookmarked it.....

 

[Tubey]

They said it again today.
They also have 39 billion reasons for wanting the current deal to go through as it guarantees the uk will pay the so called exit bill In full, May's deal didn't.

May's deal did, and you are correct, they will take a deal. Both May and Johnson's deals are good for the EU. Johnson's is actually worse for us as a country due to us jettisoning Northern Ireland as a part of the UK.

They won't take no deal because the status quo of extending the deadline is beneficial to them. That's why it's all-but impossible; Hungary or Poland could veto an extension but to do so would mean they'd take a hiding off the EU in the long term for doing something so reckless. Even Orban isn't that stupid.

 

[peteblue]

Can’t wait to read pete’s mental gymnastics later telling us how good this is for Johnson lol

he will get a GE.......

 

[Blues Harp]

nor that they are against it.....

Welcome back from the pub...any decent real ales on tap? Recommendations would be good. Are you in the CAMRA guide?

 

[Jebus_lives]

May's deal did, and you are correct, they will take a deal. Both May and Johnson's deals are good for the EU. Johnson's is actually worse for us as a country due to us jettisoning Northern Ireland as a part of the UK.

They won't take no deal because the status quo of extending the deadline is beneficial to them. That's why it's all-but impossible; Hungary or Poland could veto an extension but to do so would mean they'd take a hiding off the EU in the long term for doing something so reckless. Even Orban isn't that stupid.

The adults are taking over now

 

[Tubey]

he will get a GE.......

He will when (not if) he accepts the extension until January, which he is legally compelled to do once it is offered.

As soon as he does, Corbyn has zero reason to refuse a GE and it happens.

Johnson will wipe the floor with Corbyn in a GE but we'll still get a hung parliament in all likelihood with the Tories as the biggest party.

It then comes down to pure numbers - if Johnson has enough and parliament can't "Benn Act" him in January, we'll leave with a deal or no deal. If he can't, there's only one option left - a second referendum.

 

[peteblue]

Anyway, my predictions. Corbyn will not, even though many on here said he will, call for a no confidence vote. He will vote against a GE and will do everything to avoid coming into contact with the electorate......if I’m wrong I will apologise, but really I do not expect to have to do so.......

 

[orly]

Maybe, maybe not. In my opinion it has made a general election more likely. It then depends on which side, if any, get a majority.

No - it has. This is not an opinion.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Farage has already handed out the olive branch. It's Johnson who didn't accept it as he was working on "his deal".

I think it's fair to say that now there's no chance of a 31st October Brexit, I doubt that deal will ever see the light of day again; not that there was ever any realistic chance it was going to get through anyway.

I think it's also fair to say that Johnson will do anything to get Brexit done and to get a majority in the next GE, I believe that includes jumping into bed with the BP, not least because he could very easily lose perhaps 30% of the Tory vote to them if they were in direct opposition. Johnson may be many things but stupid isn't one of them.

As I said. Don't be surprised if you see a pre election pact between the 2 parties. The trade off for BP support on Tory right wing policies would be a Brexit on WTO terms.

My fear is that second vote tonight has condemned the UK to a no deal Brexit.

What about abandon erg and accept certain amendments eg customs union?

 

[edge]

May's deal did, and you are correct, they will take a deal. Both May and Johnson's deals are good for the EU. Johnson's is actually worse for us as a country due to us jettisoning Northern Ireland as a part of the UK.

They won't take no deal because the status quo of extending the deadline is beneficial to them. That's why it's all-but impossible; Hungary or Poland could veto an extension but to do so would mean they'd take a hiding off the EU in the long term for doing something so reckless. Even Orban isn't that stupid.

Sure about Orban, he is fkn cracked
Only read brief bits of this deal got some interesting bits that differ from the May deal, still crap though.

 

[peteblue]

He will when (not if) he accepts the extension until January, which he is legally compelled to do once it is offered.

As soon as he does, Corbyn has zero reason to refuse a GE and it happens.

Johnson will wipe the floor with Corbyn in a GE but we'll still get a hung parliament in all likelihood with the Tories as the biggest party.

It then comes down to pure numbers - if Johnson has enough and parliament can't "Benn Act" him in January, we'll leave with a deal or no deal. If he can't, there's only one option left - a second referendum.

Trust me, Corbyn will find an excuse to refuse a GE, washing his hair or something, anything that stops a GE. He is terrified of one.......