Current Affairs EU In or Out
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
goodnight edge, I’m just off to bed myself......
Sad when you turn on each other...uncalled for attack.
Let me put it this way - if Orban, for some insane reason, tried to veto an extension and we looked like leaving on no deal on the 31st, parliament would table a motion to revoke Article 50 to avoid it and win comfortably.
That's how impossible no deal is. There simply isn't the appetite their side for it nor the numbers on our side for it.
Blues Harp
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Think it's a friendly disagreement tbh
Inb4 an absolutely unrelated answer.
I'll rephrase it - Johnson was and is prepared to leave on no deal. It's a negotiation position but it's one he'd have followed through on in my opinion. I don't believe him on much but I believe him on that, as he wants to be the hero to his "side" in this - he's not interested in the country, he's interested in his legacy and a grip on power.
He believed the EU would cave if we didn't ask for an extension and he'd get a deal. The Benn Act ruined that for him. So he had to scramble together a deal of his own without that leverage.
All he cares about is the win - and that is leaving by any means necessary.
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I ask again could he dump the erg like he dumped the dup and accept a customs union or even a 2nd ref as the price of a deal? I assume that’s where he actually is now in reality? Assuming Corbyn refuses to entertain an election, which I believe he will.
It was a low blow worthy of the dastardly...
Theoretically, he could do either of those things tomorrow and pass it easily. Indeed, the customs union is Labour's position - Corbyn is a Brexiteer, he wants to leave the EU wholeheartedly, but he's a soft Brexiteer who wants the custom union.
In reality, no, he can't. He's politically boxed into a hole due to his red lines, just like May was. And realistically, he simply won't want to - the point of Brexit for him and his mates is massive deregulation and a race to the bottom to profiteer.
Corbyn will take an election - he has no choice. Ignore the rhetoric and look at it logically - as much as I actually hate Corbyn, he's spot on to spot the danger of an accidental no deal and avoid an election until its' off the table.
Once Johnson accepts the extension, an election will be on the table the next day and will happen. He has no choice. If he refused it at that point, even his own supporters would be laughing at him - he'd have no reason to not have one.
It is only the Tory party spin about him "being a chicken" etc. that makes anyone believe Corbyn is ducking an election for anything other than the reason given of avoiding no deal.
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And hanging on to power for the next 5 years. Brexit is a distraction from 10 years of austerity policies inflicted on this country. All he cares about is his friends in big business(whatever that means) and causing more pain on those who are less able to fight back. Disgusting excuse for a human being.
try being involved in it and you’ll understand my frustration. The entire thing is a mess, it’s a political football that they’re all kick around. Causing massive confusion for businesses, small and big, who are spending hundreds of thousands of pounds in preparedness. In all my years working this is the first time I’ve seriously looked at other positions because becoming almost impossible to deal with this absolute mess
Call a GE and someone can get a majority and end this utter sham. I’m not even arsed anymore, cancel the entire thing or go no deal. I couldn’t give a dogs arsehole
And the only person who agrees with you
Bed now
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