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[NilSatisOptimum]

So you're celebrating a loss. Because you didn't get battered 4-0, you're delighted with a 2-1 loss.

You're missing the point. In 2017, after years of austerity, with the Tories utterly incapacitated over a floundering Brexit, Labour still couldn't beat them. Why? Because they were starting from a position of ludicrous weakness due to Corbyn.

They were predicting a landslide because of Corbyn. They didn't get one because the country sent them a bloody nose over their arrogance, notably the threat to the pension triple lock. Even now, after years of the worst governing I've ever seen from a single political party, Labour are ahead only narrowly in a handful of polls and still somehow behind in others.

That's Corbyn and the trajectory of Labour under his leadership. It's an embarrassment.

I celebrated no longer having a majority Tory government, weren't you?

It's fair to suggest anyone actually involved in the Labour party just before and after Corbyn became leader, the labour machine was gearing up for 2020 election. So 2017 snap election call came as surprise, but bigger surprise for Tories on the morning after losing its majority...

I'm more than confident of Corbyn achieving out right win in an election....

 

[davek]

The Boris Bounce was pitiful. I hope the coward goes for a cut and run election prior to Oct 31st, because the polling figures of late on support and opposition to a No Deal Brexit are defo against the outcome that clown wants to happen.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce, the problem is, if he does step aside, it will be seen as an admission that he is not the right person to be PM.

Indeed.

 

[peteblue]

The Boris Bounce was pitiful. I hope the coward goes for a cut and run election prior to Oct 31st, because the polling figures of late on support and opposition to a No Deal Brexit are defo against the outcome that clown wants to happen.

You are kidding yourself mate. If Boris were to propose a GE, Corbyn would vote against it. Corbyn knows he cannot beat Boris and will be shown up. Corbyn’s only hope is this ridiculous attempt at becoming an interim PM, and that just won’t flybys even the gullible Tory idiots won’t buy that one.....I hope we do have an election, Boris can get rid of the wishy washy Hammonds of this world, obtain a decent majority and get on with delivering the result of the 2016 referendum......

 

[tsubaki]

So you're celebrating a loss. Because you didn't get battered 4-0, you're delighted with a 2-1 loss.

You're missing the point. In 2017, after years of austerity, with the Tories utterly incapacitated over a floundering Brexit, Labour still couldn't beat them. Why? Because they were starting from a position of ludicrous weakness due to Corbyn.

They were predicting a landslide because of Corbyn. They didn't get one because the country sent them a bloody nose over their arrogance, notably the threat to the pension triple lock. Even now, after years of the worst governing I've ever seen from a single political party, Labour are ahead only narrowly in a handful of polls and still somehow behind in others.

That's Corbyn and the trajectory of Labour under his leadership. It's an embarrassment.

This is the fantasy politics of the centre - that Labour should have beaten the Tories in 2017, would have under any other leader, and would be miles and miles ahead under a more centrist figure. The fact that there isn't another leader, or that centrists have spent the entirity of Corbyn's reign attacking him, or that the centrists when they were in Government managed to semi-permanently get rid of about 40 Labour seats, or that Corbyn got millions move votes than any Labour leader since Blair in 1997, or that the papers would almost certainly savage anyone who was even slightly left-wing (as they called judges traitors for deciding the wrong way in a Brexit related case), is immaterial.

He is rubbish and must be removed if Labour is ever to recover (even though every statistic you can come up with shows Labour has emphatically recovered since 2015)!

 

[tsubaki]

Is it not a valid question? If a) he doesn't get the 2/3 support he needs to push this vote of no confidence through, and b) if he doesn't get that support in part due to opposition to him personally, would he be prepared to step aside so that someone else could? It's not asking him to resign as Labour leader, merely to not be the leader of this movement that is supposed to be cross party.

He doesn't need 2/3 support to push a vote of no confidence through (he only needs to win by one), nor would he need it to form a government. He'd also be the de facto leader of any "cross party" movement, even if he wasnt actually the PM - he is the leader of the largest party and even if you restricted his direct influence to just the loyalists, he'd be able to veto anything that government proposed that he didn't like.

This idea that anyone else could be an effective PM in that scenario is as daft an idea as the notion that the Commons could force a government into holding (and running) a referendum against its will was.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

It’s not just the Labour Party, politics has been infected with far left ideologies across the globe and it’s a case of “if you don’t agree with us you’re either: a conservative/racist/facist”. There’s no middle ground with them.

Respectfully disagree

 

[nsno-chris]

Respectfully disagree

Would you like to elaborate

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Would you like to elaborate

I simply don’t see any far left ideologies having any significant impact on global mainstream politics. Sure there are fringe groups but nothing of substance. Depends how you interpret far left I guess.

Personally, i see much of the dominant discourse swinging further right to the point that you’re called a Marxist if you want to nationalise a railway.

 

[zzr45]

I simply don’t see any far left ideologies having any significant impact on global mainstream politics. Sure there are fringe groups but nothing of substance. Depends how you interpret far left I guess.

Personally, i see much of the dominant discourse swinging further right to the point that you’re called a Marxist if you want to nationalise a railway.

Think people swing to extremes everywhere. Everyone’s a Marxist/Nazi/Racist/Cuck.

 

[nsno-chris]

I simply don’t see any far left ideologies having any significant impact on global mainstream politics. Sure there are fringe groups but nothing of substance. Depends how you interpret far left I guess.

Personally, i see much of the dominant discourse swinging further right to the point that you’re called a Marxist if you want to nationalise a railway.

I see it swinging to the left, everyone bending over backwards to make sure that everyone’s feelings aren’t hurt. Safe spaces and privileges

Everyone wants to be a minority, they want everything for free and don’t have a clue what hard work is.

 

[davek]

You are kidding yourself mate. If Boris were to propose a GE, Corbyn would vote against it. Corbyn knows he cannot beat Boris and will be shown up. Corbyn’s only hope is this ridiculous attempt at becoming an interim PM, and that just won’t flybys even the gullible Tory idiots won’t buy that one.....I hope we do have an election, Boris can get rid of the wishy washy Hammonds of this world, obtain a decent majority and get on with delivering the result of the 2016 referendum......

Ha Ha Ha. "Boris".

FFS.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I see it swinging to the left, everyone bending over backwards to make sure that everyone’s feelings aren’t hurt. Safe spaces and privileges

Everyone wants to be a minority, they want everything for free and don’t have a clue what hard work is.

That doesn’t relate to how I experience my day to day but I do live in the north east which is often 20 years behind everyone else and I deleted all social media several years ago when people started going on about poppies.

 

[dead_soft]

Ha Ha Ha. "Boris".

FFS.

It's boggling and shows up their silly little subservient Englander stance when they call him 'Boris'. Doing exactly what he wants.

 

[BlueToff]

I celebrated no longer having a majority Tory government, weren't you?

It's fair to suggest anyone actually involved in the Labour party just before and after Corbyn became leader, the labour machine was gearing up for 2020 election. So 2017 snap election call came as surprise, but bigger surprise for Tories on the morning after losing its majority...

I'm more than confident of Corbyn achieving out right win in an election....

A general election? Corbyn v Boris Johnson. There's no contest. Johnson will wipe the floor with him.

I hate the Tories. I won't ever vote for them. But to suggest Corbyn is in any shape to win now is just plain delusion. They've gone backwards.

Now, I do not blame Corbyn 100%. There's in-fighting and they're all as self-serving as the Tories that so many on here detest. But Labour's rotten at the moment. And that won't change under Corbyn, unfortunately.

Two years ago, I was behind him. I voted for Brexit. Without going down that argument, Corbyn wanted Brexit. Probably still does. I do think we'd have been in a better state with a solid Labour govt doing the negotiations. Ultimately we just ended up with naff all, and Corbyn dithering about trying to stick to his principles but ultimately proving he's got none.