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[Cool_Blue]

Abbott on Radio 4 talking about freedom of movement having to end. So Labour are all about protecting workers rights, except the one that allows them to work in 27 other European countries freely and easily. Rightio.

Bruce, there’s surely a distinction to be made here. We want people to come to the UK when they have demonstrated their capabilities and have a job offer, which is what UK citizens have to have if they want to work in say, the US or Australia. It will be the same for UK citizens going to work on the Continent going forward. What is being proposed is ‘if you don’t have a job to come to, you can’t come’. I would love to go and live in a beautiful place like San Diego for example, but I’m pretty sure I know what the US authorities would say if I rocked up without a job offer.......something ending in ‘off’.

 

[PhilM]

Abbott on Radio 4 talking about freedom of movement having to end. So Labour are all about protecting workers rights, except the one that allows them to work in 27 other European countries freely and easily. Rightio.

Imagine if she was actually given the role of Home Secretary!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce, there’s surely a distinction to be made here. We want people to come to the UK when they have demonstrated their capabilities and have a job offer, which is what UK citizens have to have if they want to work in say, the US or Australia. It will be the same for UK citizens going to work on the Continent going forward. What is being proposed is ‘if you don’t have a job to come to, you can’t come’. I would love to go and live in a beautiful place like San Diego for example, but I’m pretty sure I know what the US authorities would say if I rocked up without a job offer.......something ending in ‘off’.

So you would up sticks and move to one of the most expensive places in the world to live without a job offer to sustain yourself? Really? I kinda suspect you're better equipped to know how sustainable your choice would be than some mandarin in Washington, and it's just the same in the EU, where freedom of movement hasn't resulted in mass unemployment as people shuffle about in a care free manner seemingly without having given any thought to how the move they thought might better their life would actually do so (coz that'd be nuts).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Imagine if she was actually given the role of Home Secretary!

It saddens me because politicians should lead the discourse, but instead they're pandering to (and in many instances fanning) the base fears of people. It's a huge let down.

 

[davek]

A general election? Corbyn v Boris Johnson. There's no contest. Johnson will wipe the floor with him.

I hate the Tories. I won't ever vote for them. But to suggest Corbyn is in any shape to win now is just plain delusion. They've gone backwards.

Now, I do not blame Corbyn 100%. There's in-fighting and they're all as self-serving as the Tories that so many on here detest. But Labour's rotten at the moment. And that won't change under Corbyn, unfortunately.

Two years ago, I was behind him. I voted for Brexit. Without going down that argument, Corbyn wanted Brexit. Probably still does. I do think we'd have been in a better state with a solid Labour govt doing the negotiations. Ultimately we just ended up with naff all, and Corbyn dithering about trying to stick to his principles but ultimately proving he's got none.

You'll see how much Johnson is detested in the country at the General Election. He might be popular with 100,000 Tory Parrty members who elected him PM, but he'll be buried by the electorate.

The LP know they are favourites to be the largest single party in the upcoming GE...which is why they spent two weeks wooing the SNP and throwing the Scottish LP under the bus just recently. Swinson knows that Labour will be the largest single party without a majority too...that's why she's trying to set terms even now for negotiating with Labour.

 

[Billy Dean]

I simply don’t see any far left ideologies having any significant impact on global mainstream politics. Sure there are fringe groups but nothing of substance. Depends how you interpret far left I guess.

Personally, i see much of the dominant discourse swinging further right to the point that you’re called a Marxist if you want to nationalise a railway.

To claim far left ideologies are dominating at the moment is one of the most ludicrous things I've heard in a long time

 

[dead_soft]

It’s not just the Labour Party, politics has been infected with far left ideologies across the globe and it’s a case of “if you don’t agree with us you’re either: a conservative/racist/facist”. There’s no middle ground with them.

This is a demonstrably untrue comment.

 

[zzr45]

So you would up sticks and move to one of the most expensive places in the world to live without a job offer to sustain yourself? Really? I kinda suspect you're better equipped to know how sustainable your choice would be than some mandarin in Washington, and it's just the same in the EU, where freedom of movement hasn't resulted in mass unemployment as people shuffle about in a care free manner seemingly without having given any thought to how the move they thought might better their life would actually do so (coz that'd be nuts).

I know I was talking to a Pole the other week about this - I remember working in hotels when they were first admitted to the EU and the staff would be massively EE. Then the first wave went back, the £ to polish currency dropped so the next wave had less of a desire to go. Now 15+ years later there’s actually very little desire from young poles to come across because the money’s no longer a draw - the EU did it’s job in equalising things to an extent. Mass immigration is a fear from 10 years ago that’s still rattling around.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I know I was talking to a Pole the other week about this - I remember working in hotels when they were first admitted to the EU and the staff would be massively EE. Then the first wave went back, the £ to polish currency dropped so the next wave had less of a desire to go. Now 15+ years later there’s actually very little desire from young poles to come across because the money’s no longer a draw - the EU did it’s job in equalising things to an extent. Mass immigration is a fear from 10 years ago that’s still rattling around.

Indeed. It was also interesting to listen to the farming industry on the radio this morning talking about the opportunity for more produce to be home grown. Except the majority of workers are from the EU so they have no personnel to actually expand, and are likely to have even bigger problems if many leave (voluntarily or otherwise) on November 1st.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

As I said, deluded.

Corbyn's lost his head.

Losing his head would be sitting back and waiting for 2022, he has stood up to be counted, so called stalwart remainers have run and hid when it matters. Electorate will judge them for U-turn.

Its the centre ground that's deluded, it's pandered and turned a blind eye to capitalism worst excesses and continues to do so, unable control the beast the centre ground has nutrued. As all wild free beasts Capitalism has turned and bit the hand that feeds it, an inate response...

 

[JimmyJeffers]

To claim far left ideologies are dominating at the moment is one of the most ludicrous things I've heard in a long time

I think people confuse far left ideology with someone wanting a special toilet

 

[zzr45]

I think people confuse far left ideology with someone wanting a special toilet

One of them ones with the hole in the wall?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

One of them ones with the hole in the wall?

You filthy Trot!

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Abbott on Radio 4 talking about freedom of movement having to end. So Labour are all about protecting workers rights, except the one that allows them to work in 27 other European countries freely and easily. Rightio.

Reality of Swinson rejecting joining the coalition of the centre, stoping no deal and have remaining on any referendum ballot. The stark reality of Swinson and personality politics she subscribes too.

Still if we had a programme of infrastructure spending in the last 30 years in housing, education and health care that mirrored freedom of movement this would have never been an issue. Take the medicine.

 

[BlueToff]

You'll see how much Johnson is detested in the country at the General Election. He might be popular with 100,000 Tory Parrty members who elected him PM, but he'll be buried by the electorate.

The LP know they are favourites to be the largest single party in the upcoming GE...which is why they spent two weeks wooing the SNP and throwing the Scottish LP under the bus just recently. Swinson knows that Labour will be the largest single party without a majority too...that's why she's trying to set terms even now for negotiating with Labour.

I think you're massively underestimating how popular Johnson is compared to Corbyn and with 'middle England' in general, Dave.