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Losing his head would be sitting back and waiting for 2022, he has stood up to be counted, so called stalwart remainers have run and hid when it matters. Electorate will judge them for U-turn.

Its the centre ground that's deluded, it's pandered and turned a blind eye to capitalism worst excesses and continues to do so, unable control the beast the centre ground has nutrued. As all wild free beasts Capitalism has turned and bit the hand that feeds it, an inate response...

Unfortunately Corbyn's particular brand of socialism is not the answer.
 
Reality of Swinson rejecting joining the coalition of the centre, stoping no deal and have remaining on any referendum ballot. The stark reality of Swinson and personality politics she subscribes too.

Still if we had a programme of infrastructure spending in the last 30 years in housing, education and health care that mirrored freedom of movement this would have never been an issue. Take the medicine.

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I think you're massively underestimating how popular Johnson is compared to Corbyn and with 'middle England' in general, Dave.
Middle England is also made up of dyed in the wool Lib Dems and Brexit Party sympathisers too.

The Tories will lose on a no deal ticket. I pray that 'kin clown calls a GE before securing some form of deal...which WILL happen whoever is in charge.
 
Middle England is also made up of dyed in the wool Lib Dems and Brexit Party sympathisers too.

The Tories will lose on a no deal ticket. I pray that 'kin clown calls a GE before securing some form of deal...which WILL happen whoever is in charge.

It's politics Dave. Johnson and the Tories know full well that the EU won't remove the backstop (rightly), so they can now pin no deal on them as though it was their fault for being intransigent. Similarly, Corbyn knows full well that he won't muster the support for his proposal to stop it (and doesn't really want to anyway), and he can now blame his failure on the LibDems. All a bit Kopite like isn't it?
 
So you would up sticks and move to one of the most expensive places in the world to live without a job offer to sustain yourself? Really? I kinda suspect you're better equipped to know how sustainable your choice would be than some mandarin in Washington, and it's just the same in the EU, where freedom of movement hasn't resulted in mass unemployment as people shuffle about in a care free manner seemingly without having given any thought to how the move they thought might better their life would actually do so (coz that'd be nuts).
If you're from NZ, you can come into Australia and back yourself to get and more importantly, keep a job and support yourself. But since 2002 you can't come in and claim benefit.
Everybody else has to jump through the complex immigration procedure, that done, get and keep job, away you go, valuable member of society etc...but basically you still can't claim benefit.
This doesn't seem too harsh.
Would some UK variation of this be the end of the world
 
If you're from NZ, you can come into Australia and back yourself to get and more importantly, keep a job and support yourself. But since 2002 you can't come in and claim benefit.
Everybody else has to jump through the complex immigration procedure, that done, get and keep job, away you go, valuable member of society etc...but basically you still can't claim benefit.
This doesn't seem too harsh.
Would some UK variation of this be the end of the world

EU migrants are already prevented from claiming benefits for some time after they move to a country.
 
It's politics Dave. Johnson and the Tories know full well that the EU won't remove the backstop (rightly), so they can now pin no deal on them as though it was their fault for being intransigent. Similarly, Corbyn knows full well that he won't muster the support for his proposal to stop it (and doesn't really want to anyway), and he can now blame his failure on the LibDems. All a bit Kopite like isn't it?
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It's politics Dave. Johnson and the Tories know full well that the EU won't remove the backstop (rightly), so they can now pin no deal on them as though it was their fault for being intransigent. Similarly, Corbyn knows full well that he won't muster the support for his proposal to stop it (and doesn't really want to anyway), and he can now blame his failure on the LibDems. All a bit Kopite like isn't it?
Don't know about kopite, more like Total Dogs Breakfast. First past the post politics at its worst.
 
EU migrants are already prevented from claiming benefits for some time after they move to a country.
It is kinda indicative of where our society is at, that the lie that migrants can (and have the desire to) simply rock off a plane and claim benefits, is so widely accepted as fact. People have chosen to believe this despite easy access to information detailing the contrary. I deal with it every day
 
EU migrants are already prevented from claiming benefits for some time after they move to a country.
'a country' in general or UK in particular? Its all about the perceived Brexit perspective. Which thinks that over a period of time (10yrs or more) many people (millions, nobody knows the true number) came in that, pre-freedom of movement, would have had to jump through many hoops to prove some sort of ability to support themselves.
 
Its a briefing paper, 1 step above a wish list. It shows belated intent. It shows that for a number of years before there was not only a perceived problem, but an actual problem, the scale of which was somewhat unknowable...but the rumblings filtered through tosomebody who produced that briefing paper.
Was that intent ever converted into legislation?
The Brexit perception thinks it wasn't...they may be right. Who knowx.
 
It's politics Dave. Johnson and the Tories know full well that the EU won't remove the backstop (rightly), so they can now pin no deal on them as though it was their fault for being intransigent. Similarly, Corbyn knows full well that he won't muster the support for his proposal to stop it (and doesn't really want to anyway), and he can now blame his failure on the LibDems. All a bit Kopite like isn't it?

In that scenario (a crashing out) the Tories wont get a bounce. The scare stories aren't, in fact, scare stories. Every rational person knows that the moment a no deal has been decided then the economic and social dislocation will be swift and enormous. What person in their right mind then goes to the country and asks them to pin the blame on the EU and vote for them?

There'll be a deal. The Brexiteers are in a massive buff mode and the Tory leadership will pivot away from it when they realise the EU aren't for budging....hence the Tory leadership using all manner of perfidious lines of pressure on Dublin right now to get them to call on the EU to present another Withdrawal Agreement.

We have a cabal of chancers running the government. It was a coup against May's leadership and it's one last chance for the Brexiteers to get a deal + the backstop removed. It wont work and they will be crushed at the polls.
 
Its a briefing paper, 1 step above a wish list. It shows belated intent. It shows that for a number of years before there was not only a perceived problem, but an actual problem, the scale of which was somewhat unknowable...but the rumblings filtered through tosomebody who produced that briefing paper.
Was that intent ever converted into legislation?
The Brexit perception thinks it wasn't...they may be right. Who knowx.

  • From December 2013, a “stronger, more robust” Habitual Residence Test for those claiming means-tested benefits.
  • From 1 January 2014, people coming to the UK must have been living in the UK for three months before they can claim income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance.
  • EEA jobseekers or former workers would have to show that they had a “genuine prospect of finding work” to continue to get JSA after six months (and if applicable, Housing Benefit, Child Benefit and Child Tax Credit). For those with a right to reside as a jobseeker the test is now applied after three months on JSA.
  • From 1 March 2014, a new minimum earnings threshold to help determine whether an EEA national is or was in “genuine and effective” work, and so has a “right to reside” as a worker or self-employed person (and with it, entitlement to benefits).
  • From 1 April 2014 new EEA jobseekers have been prevented from accessing Housing Benefits even if they are in receipt of JSA.
  • From 1 July 2014, new jobseekers arriving in the UK would need to have lived here for three months in order to claim Child Benefit and Child Tax Credit.
  • From 10 June 2015, EEA jobseekers have been prevented from claiming Universal Credit.
They are actual changes. The proposals they mention Cameron was going to the EU with were secured by him in his supposedly failed attempts to reform EU membership. As has been said above, it's alarming that these kind of things weren't known before the referendum, but it's even more alarming that ignorance remains even after it's been debated so much over the last three years. It's easy to blame the media for poor quality reporting, but our politicians have made vapid soundbites their stock in trade, so for me have to shoulder the bulk of the blame.
 
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