Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

I still can’t believe supposedly educated people actually believed and voted for these charlatans in power. I know you’d never admit it for fear of losing face but deep inside I bet you feel totally humiliated and a little bit stupid.

Personally, I’m quite proud of the way Boris is dealing with the EU, but more concerned over the handling of Covid.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Boris will be reined in once he has sorted out whatever Eu deal we end up with. He has a job to do and is doing it very well. Just cast your mind back to the shambles of Parliament and what it was doing with Brexit late last year. Like him or loathe him the EU know they are now dealing with someone that they can just roll over. He’s fighting for all of us in the U.K. and he’s the right man for the job.....

So he's fighting to hugely tarnish Britain's reputation for honesty and fair play, in order to secure an arrangement that leaves the country worse off? Heaven's above Pete, you're drowning in the kool aid here.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Boris will be reined in once he has sorted out whatever Eu deal we end up with. He has a job to do and is doing it very well. Just cast your mind back to the shambles of Parliament and what it was doing with Brexit late last year. Like him or loathe him the EU know they are now dealing with someone that they can just roll over. He’s fighting for all of us in the U.K. and he’s the right man for the job.....

It was doing it's job. Currently it's being bypassed.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Personally, I’m quite proud of the way Boris is dealing with the EU, but more concerned over the handling of Covid.....

I fear your widely cited dislike for the Germans is clouding your judgement Pete.

 

[peteblue]

While I don't disagree, my issue with this is that you seem perfectly happy to undermine the principles of Parliamentary Sovereignty to get your wishes. It was never intended to be challenged in this way and used as a mechanism to allow the UK to break it's international obligations, but it's being butchered in the name of Brexit and you seem pretty comfortable with that.

Brexit is your side. Everything else be damned

It was the Remainer rear guard action that clarified this point. Boris is now just using the law as interpreted by the Supreme Court. Of course I want to see what I voted for to succeed, that’s why I voted for it....

 

[peteblue]

I fear your widely cited dislike for the Germans is clouding your judgement Pete.

Why do you think they have anything to do with it. I don’t dislike Germany, the U.K. and Germany would make very good partners, but you have to understand your partners and how they operate to be successful. The only problem I have with them at the moment is that they want a United States of Europe and I don’t .....

 

[Hickson9]

The problem with rabid Brexiteers is that it is very difficult for them to hold their hands up and say it has all gone to pot.

People hate admitting being wrong.

It is easier to double down on the divisive language, to blame the other, to subvert international law, to shred the reputation of the country, than it is to admit that had we stayed in the EU all along we would be in a much better, wealthier and more powerful state.

Following the EU Referendum result, we really should have taken May's deal. Now we are in a farcical situation of charging towards a catastrophic No Deal, on the back of an already catastrophic pandemic crisis.

 

[Jebus_lives]

It was the Remainer rear guard action that clarified this point. Boris is now just using the law as interpreted by the Supreme Court. Of course I want to see what I voted for to succeed, that’s why I voted for it....

He's using the principle that sought Parliament, elected officials, be given the final say on UK legislation. He's now issuing it to pass a law which will allow the UK to break international law, because he refused to let Parliament debate the WA in favour of telling them it was oven ready and a great deal for the UK and he's faced with the same issues that existed in Mays deal.

As I said, it's not just about getting what you want, it's about adherence to what principles the UK has established.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The idea that the Gina Miller case has any relevance to this Govts plan to break International Law, is legally illiterate.

 

[peteblue]

It was doing it's job. Currently it's being bypassed.

By ‘doing its job’ you mean ignoring the referendum and trying everything it could to frustrate the will of the people and the outcome of a vote...that Parliament and its Speaker will go down in history as the most disgraceful self serving shambles ever to enter its chamber. The General Election put paid to many of the cretins responsible.....

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Have I really just witness the Lord Chancellor say on National television, that he would only resign if he saw the Govt breaking the law in a way the HE found unacceptable?

Just how did we end up here ffs? An actual Lord Chancellor trying to posit the notion that there’s some sort of personal subjective opinion to be applied to whether breaking International Law is acceptable or not.

What a truly shameless cabal of spineless charlatans.

As Andrew Rawnsley said in the Observer today, how mad is it to see a Tory government happy to jeopardise the Union, to glory in the breakdown of the rule of law and to try to rule by decree?

 

[Jebus_lives]

By ‘doing its job’ you mean ignoring the referendum and trying everything it could to frustrate the will of the people and the outcome of a vote...that Parliament and its Speaker will go down in history and the most disgraceful self serving shambles ever to enter its chamber. The General Election put paid to many of the cretins responsible.....

No I mean scrutinising the WA. Just because you got impatient doesn't mean an agreement wouldn't have been reached.

There was every indication that Parliament would've passed Johnson's bill, but it asked for more time to debate and amend. That wasn't allowed.

All of this stems from Tory Governments, with an undefined Brexit attempting to circumvent the UK Parliamentary process and now, in a demonstration of this Governments commitment to Parliamentary Sovereignty, it's using it to publish a law that will allow it to break international law without UK sanction, all the while pretending that it is perfectly normal action.

What would you say about China doing that Pete?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Tory Brexiters - the Theresa May deal is unacceptable, as it’s not true Brexit

Also Tory Brexiters - Boris’s deal is fantastic as it removes the backstop. I’m in. Any Tory MP who doesn’t back it gets the whip removed

Tory Brexiters 10 months later - that deal is garbage, we didn’t know what we were voting for, it’s the EU’s fault. If you don’t agree that we should break International law in order to ignore the treaty that we created, lauded, signed, voted for, described as ‘over ready’ and won an election off the back of, then you’re a traitor.

The mental gymnastics required to haplessly try and defend this sequence of events is mind boggling.

 

[peteblue]

The problem with rabid Brexiteers is that it is very difficult for them to hold their hands up and say it has all gone to pot.

People hate admitting being wrong.

It is easier to double down on the divisive language, to blame the other, to subvert international law, to shred the reputation of the country, than it is to admit that had we stayed in the EU all along we would be in a much better, wealthier and more powerful state.

Following the EU Referendum result, we really should have taken May's deal. Now we are in a farcical situation of charging towards a catastrophic No Deal, on the back of an already catastrophic pandemic crisis.

There are many Remainers and Labour MP’s or ex MP’s who perhaps now wish they had voted for May’s deal. But they didn’t and we all make choices in life. There is no such thing as No Deal. We will have a deal one way or the other, but one way may not be an FTA.....

 

[Prevenger17]

Tory Brexiters - the Theresa May deal is unacceptable, as it’s not true Brexit

Also Tory Brexiters - Boris’s deal is fantastic as it removes the backstop. I’m in. Any Tory MP who doesn’t back it gets the whip removed

Tory Brexiters 10 months later - that deal is garbage, we didn’t know what we were voting for, it’s the EU’s fault. If you don’t agree that we should break International law in order to ignore the treaty that we created, lauded, signed, voted for, described as ‘over ready’ and won an election off the back of, then you’re a traitor.

The mental gymnastics required to haplessly try and defend this sequence of events is mind boggling.

Pete is the Mary Lou Retton of mental gymnastics imo