Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Amazing isn’t it. Supposedly Global Britain telling the World that we’ll sign treaties in bad faith, simply ignore the bits we don’t like at some future date and decide unilaterally whether we think that breaking International law in doing so, is sound or not.

Form an orderly queue for a trade deal lads.

This is a Britain that, along with the US, largely built the "rules-based" global order of things. That both countries seem hell-bent on unravelling things is very sad.
 
I know you’d never admit it for fear of losing face but deep inside I bet you feel totally humiliated and a little bit stupid.

Rationally, there are only 4 camps of Leave voters (they are not mutually exclusive) anyone who claims to not be part of any is delusional and in the 4th one by default:

1) The 1% tax dodgers. Terrified of incoming transparency laws, they've financially pushed successive Tory efforts to leave via any means necessary in order to conceal income from the public purse. They raise two middle fingers to the general UK population, first by denying them billions in tax revenue and then by wrecking the country in their efforts to retain it (this group may also include delusional aspirants). If you voted for Brexit then you've supported these parasites.

2) Deregulation junkies. Business owners/board members who hate that they are mandated to provide holiday pay, sick pay, maternity pay, health and safety checks, and all sorts of other benefits to workers that eat into their potential profits. Another group with contempt and disdain for the 'little people' who actually graft to make them money, and are happy to make their lives worse twice over. Raab, Patel etc are their flag bearers in government. If you voted for Brexit then you've supported these cockroaches.

3) Anti-immigration zealots. Can come from any social or economic strata, bound together by their desire to not live near people that aren't like them. Whilst there are in fact, non-xenophobic reasons to be against immigration, if you don't also fall into either of the first two categories and you've decided that Brexit has to be carried out over any and all other concerns (including but not limited to: governments abiding by treaties and the law, the economic wellbeing and living standards of the general populace and the overall democratic health of the nation) then you really need a bit of introspection as to what drives your dislike of 'the other'. If you voted for Brexit, regardless of what you can bear to admit to yourself, you voted on the same side as the racists and xenophobes.

4) The naively stupid. If you can't identify with any of the three above, then this is where you reside. It's for all those people who insist things like 'sovereignty' are tangible benefits we're all about to prosper from, and have trouble forming a coherent argument for Brexit that isn't just lifted from a tabloid headline. They simply nodded their head 5 years ago when a charismatic speaker started tubthumping and that narrative is now increasingly impossible to shift. It's impossible for them to explain exactly what they're getting out of the whole thing, their living situations will be demonstrably worse (via losing the rights automatically granted to EU citizens) but there they still are, Union Jack avatars loudly claiming some sort of patriotism-based moral superiority, when all they're doing is cheering the diminishment of the country, the breakup of the Union and the imminent impoverishment of us all.
 
Rationally, there are only 4 camps of Leave voters (they are not mutually exclusive) anyone who claims to not be part of any is delusional and in the 4th one by default:

1) The 1% tax dodgers. Terrified of incoming transparency laws, they've financially pushed successive Tory efforts to leave via any means necessary in order to conceal income from the public purse. They raise two middle fingers to the general UK population, first by denying them billions in tax revenue and then by wrecking the country in their efforts to retain it (this group may also include delusional aspirants). If you voted for Brexit then you've supported these parasites.

2) Deregulation junkies. Business owners/board members who hate that they are mandated to provide holiday pay, sick pay, maternity pay, health and safety checks, and all sorts of other benefits to workers that eat into their potential profits. Another group with contempt and disdain for the 'little people' who actually graft to make them money, and are happy to make their lives worse twice over. Raab, Patel etc are their flag bearers in government. If you voted for Brexit then you've supported these cockroaches.

3) Anti-immigration zealots. Can come from any social or economic strata, bound together by their desire to not live near people that aren't like them. Whilst there are in fact, non-xenophobic reasons to be against immigration, if you don't also fall into either of the first two categories and you've decided that Brexit has to be carried out over any and all other concerns (including but not limited to: governments abiding by treaties and the law, the economic wellbeing and living standards of the general populace and the overall democratic health of the nation) then you really need a bit of introspection as to what drives your dislike of 'the other'. If you voted for Brexit, regardless of what you can bear to admit to yourself, you voted on the same side as the racists and xenophobes.

4) The naively stupid. If you can't identify with any of the three above, then this is where you reside. It's for all those people who insist things like 'sovereignty' are tangible benefits we're all about to prosper from, and have trouble forming a coherent argument for Brexit that isn't just lifted from a tabloid headline. They simply nodded their head 5 years ago when a charismatic speaker started tubthumping and that narrative is now increasingly impossible to shift. It's impossible for them to explain exactly what they're getting out of the whole thing, their living situations will be demonstrably worse (via losing the rights automatically granted to EU citizens) but there they still are, Union Jack avatars loudly claiming some sort of patriotism-based moral superiority, when all they're doing is cheering the diminishment of the country, the breakup of the Union and the imminent impoverishment of us all.
Blue passports though.... you forgot blue passports
 
This is a Britain that, along with the US, largely built the "rules-based" global order of things. That both countries seem hell-bent on unravelling things is very sad.
At least the US still has the House to reign in some of the brain farts of that bought and paid for narcissist.

A House that has already stated that the U.K. can go swivel with regards to a trade deal, if it continues with its plan to break International law and jeopardise the GFA.
 
Rationally, there are only 4 camps of Leave voters (they are not mutually exclusive) anyone who claims to not be part of any is delusional and in the 4th one by default:

1) The 1% tax dodgers. Terrified of incoming transparency laws, they've financially pushed successive Tory efforts to leave via any means necessary in order to conceal income from the public purse. They raise two middle fingers to the general UK population, first by denying them billions in tax revenue and then by wrecking the country in their efforts to retain it (this group may also include delusional aspirants). If you voted for Brexit then you've supported these parasites.

2) Deregulation junkies. Business owners/board members who hate that they are mandated to provide holiday pay, sick pay, maternity pay, health and safety checks, and all sorts of other benefits to workers that eat into their potential profits. Another group with contempt and disdain for the 'little people' who actually graft to make them money, and are happy to make their lives worse twice over. Raab, Patel etc are their flag bearers in government. If you voted for Brexit then you've supported these cockroaches.

3) Anti-immigration zealots. Can come from any social or economic strata, bound together by their desire to not live near people that aren't like them. Whilst there are in fact, non-xenophobic reasons to be against immigration, if you don't also fall into either of the first two categories and you've decided that Brexit has to be carried out over any and all other concerns (including but not limited to: governments abiding by treaties and the law, the economic wellbeing and living standards of the general populace and the overall democratic health of the nation) then you really need a bit of introspection as to what drives your dislike of 'the other'. If you voted for Brexit, regardless of what you can bear to admit to yourself, you voted on the same side as the racists and xenophobes.

4) The naively stupid. If you can't identify with any of the three above, then this is where you reside. It's for all those people who insist things like 'sovereignty' are tangible benefits we're all about to prosper from, and have trouble forming a coherent argument for Brexit that isn't just lifted from a tabloid headline. They simply nodded their head 5 years ago when a charismatic speaker started tubthumping and that narrative is now increasingly impossible to shift. It's impossible for them to explain exactly what they're getting out of the whole thing, their living situations will be demonstrably worse (via losing the rights automatically granted to EU citizens) but there they still are, Union Jack avatars loudly claiming some sort of patriotism-based moral superiority, when all they're doing is cheering the diminishment of the country, the breakup of the Union and the imminent impoverishment of us all.
*Sniffs around your post and found a 5th category... The Naively Pompous and Judgemental
 
Blue passports though.... you forgot blue passports
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Rationally, there are only 4 camps of Leave voters (they are not mutually exclusive) anyone who claims to not be part of any is delusional and in the 4th one by default:

1) The 1% tax dodgers. Terrified of incoming transparency laws, they've financially pushed successive Tory efforts to leave via any means necessary in order to conceal income from the public purse. They raise two middle fingers to the general UK population, first by denying them billions in tax revenue and then by wrecking the country in their efforts to retain it (this group may also include delusional aspirants). If you voted for Brexit then you've supported these parasites.

2) Deregulation junkies. Business owners/board members who hate that they are mandated to provide holiday pay, sick pay, maternity pay, health and safety checks, and all sorts of other benefits to workers that eat into their potential profits. Another group with contempt and disdain for the 'little people' who actually graft to make them money, and are happy to make their lives worse twice over. Raab, Patel etc are their flag bearers in government. If you voted for Brexit then you've supported these cockroaches.

3) Anti-immigration zealots. Can come from any social or economic strata, bound together by their desire to not live near people that aren't like them. Whilst there are in fact, non-xenophobic reasons to be against immigration, if you don't also fall into either of the first two categories and you've decided that Brexit has to be carried out over any and all other concerns (including but not limited to: governments abiding by treaties and the law, the economic wellbeing and living standards of the general populace and the overall democratic health of the nation) then you really need a bit of introspection as to what drives your dislike of 'the other'. If you voted for Brexit, regardless of what you can bear to admit to yourself, you voted on the same side as the racists and xenophobes.

4) The naively stupid. If you can't identify with any of the three above, then this is where you reside. It's for all those people who insist things like 'sovereignty' are tangible benefits we're all about to prosper from, and have trouble forming a coherent argument for Brexit that isn't just lifted from a tabloid headline. They simply nodded their head 5 years ago when a charismatic speaker started tubthumping and that narrative is now increasingly impossible to shift. It's impossible for them to explain exactly what they're getting out of the whole thing, their living situations will be demonstrably worse (via losing the rights automatically granted to EU citizens) but there they still are, Union Jack avatars loudly claiming some sort of patriotism-based moral superiority, when all they're doing is cheering the diminishment of the country, the breakup of the Union and the imminent impoverishment of us all.
Naled
 
There is clearly a thought that says 'in the absence of proper sanctions' other than a stern look and tough rhetoric, a country like the UK can do what it wants on the international stage, much like China, Russia or the US do. That completely falls apart when you realise that the UK isn't an equivalent stature to those countries any longer.

In what way. The U.K. economy is a great deal bigger than Russia. Even militarily while Russia has enough to wipe out Europe, the U.K. has enough on its own to wipe out Russia. The U.K. is much diminished from the super power it once was, but that’s no bad deal, it just means we can look after ourselves.....
 
This is a Britain that, along with the US, largely built the "rules-based" global order of things. That both countries seem hell-bent on unravelling things is very sad.

I think you need to step back and understand the explicit threat that Barnier produced at the talks and why Boris wants an insurance policy. Barnier threatened to remove GB from the third country listings, which would have meant food could not be moved from one part of the U.K. (GB) to another (NI). Barnier is demanding more information regarding standards that he already has because we were in the EU and remain in transition. He blew it, overplayed his hand which resulted in what Boris is doing. If you can’t see this then you probably don’t wish to. He’s looking after the interests of the U.K. as a whole and NI in particular......
 
I think you need to step back and understand the explicit threat that Barnier produced at the talks and why Boris wants an insurance policy. Barnier threatened to remove GB from the third country listings, which would have meant food could not be moved from one part of the U.K. (GB) to another (NI). Barnier is demanding more information regarding standards that he already has because we were in the EU and remain in transition. He blew it, overplayed his hand which resulted in what Boris is doing. If you can’t see this then you probably don’t wish to. He’s looking after the interests of the U.K. as a whole and NI in particular......

You dont think theres any connection between a request for assurances over food standards and the threat of consequences if it isnt provided?
 
You dont think theres any connection between a request for assurances over food standards and the threat of consequences if it isnt provided?

I think it’s a blatant threat, that thankfully Barnier has used it too early. He’s basically said that the EU could remove GB from the third country listing anytime it wanted, this blatant threat to stop food moving from one part of the U.K. to another is a disgrace. Having said that, I’m glad it’s come up now and Boris has time to put his insurance policy in place....
 
I think you need to step back and understand the explicit threat that Barnier produced at the talks and why Boris wants an insurance policy. Barnier threatened to remove GB from the third country listings, which would have meant food could not be moved from one part of the U.K. (GB) to another (NI). Barnier is demanding more information regarding standards that he already has because we were in the EU and remain in transition. He blew it, overplayed his hand which resulted in what Boris is doing. If you can’t see this then you probably don’t wish to. He’s looking after the interests of the U.K. as a whole and NI in particular......

Could you provide a link for this?
 
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