Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Xizor said:
But you said above that you didn't accept it. Why? As said above, the WA fulfills the mandate of 'leave the EU'.

By any of the original definitions, Theresa's deal is a 'Hard Brexit'. Long-term, it leaves the SM, CU, and a host of other pan-continental groups. But predictably, once it was known what a Hard Brexit would actually look like, it wasn't anywhere near Hard enough for the Hardliners.

For the record, even as an ardent remainer I'd 100% support a Soft Brexit position where we actually got to retain the personal-level benefits of membership, whilst removing ourselves from the EU political processes. If this had been the aim at the start of the negotiations I have no doubt that a majority would have got behind it (Labour would have no complaints), and staying in the SM and CU would have meant no issues to resolve with Ireland. We'd have been 'out' on the 29th March 2019 as promised. Sadly, May's backroom team of Hard Brexiters immediately got in her ear and started to formulate her 'red lines' for her that could only end up in this funky 'indefinate vassal state because of NI' situation that has no resolution.

Of course, you'd have Farage screaming betrayal, Rees-Mogg banging on about 'Brexit in Name Only' etc, you'd have Liam Fox complaining we now can't get the trade deals he wants (who gives a toss as we'd retain all the better ones we have with and through the EU). But for the vast majority of the country, the Brexit morass would be 'over', everyone would have certainty and we'd have all been able to get on with our lives. Instead, the poisonous rhetoric employed by the Leave Extremists has further entrenched positions to the point where Soft Brexit is just a ghost and hasn't been mentioned for years, and a Hard Brexit isn't enough. And then the Leavers wonder why Remainers have started to push back and say 'you know what, we're tired of being the only ones compromising here'.

The Brexit Breakdown is fully owned by the hardest of the Leavers, Pete. If a Soft approach had been favoured in the beginning, we'd have been out by now. You might not have personally liked the outcome, but that's not really relevant.
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Jeremy Corbyn could personally write the WA and then he would vote against it because he is only interested in a GE.

Positions have hardened because of the games that have been played......
 
peteblue said:
This is the fault of Remoaners pure and simple. Instead of backing the PM to negotiate a proper deal they hamstrung her from the very beginning. The opposition were just playing politics, but Hammond and co inside of government put the U.K. in a terrible negotiating position. Using the usual remainer argument, at the 2016 and 2017 votes I don’t remember anyone voting to take ‘no deal’ off the table, but that is exactly what Parliament did. They gave the EU all the support they needed to stitch up the worst possible deal on the basis of trying to reverse the original vote. It was cynical and it continues to this day. Did I want a deal, yes, would I take this deal, no, would I take no deal, yes.......now stop shooting ourselves in the foot and see what transpires.......
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Missing some pertinent fact as usual. The Conservative party blew their majority in Parliament in 2017, they have no right to demand any backing, democracy spoke. Thus handing power to Parliament as and when DUP stop their vote supply. No ones fault apart from the Conservative government and just like the referendums their elections are useless.
 
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I quite liked this in the telegraph....

Imagine being on an aircraft coming in to land when the captain and her co-pilot abort touchdown at the last minute. Then imagine them aborting it again shortly afterwards.

Mercifully, there is another crew on board. So the captain is carted off, the co-pilot also removed and the new team in the cockpit calm the passengers by making an unequivocal promise that this time they will land. From first class to steerage, the passengers feel their stress levels subside thanks to the new pilot’s obvious assurance.

Suddenly the former co-pilot stands up and shouts: “You are doing it wrong, give me back the controls!”........Hammond
 
peteblue said:
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I quite liked this in the telegraph....

Imagine being on an aircraft coming in to land when the captain and her co-pilot abort touchdown at the last minute. Then imagine them aborting it again shortly afterwards.

Mercifully, there is another crew on board. So the captain is carted off, the co-pilot also removed and the new team in the cockpit calm the passengers by making an unequivocal promise that this time they will land. From first class to steerage, the passengers feel their stress levels subside thanks to the new pilot’s obvious assurance.

Suddenly the former co-pilot stands up and shouts: “You are doing it wrong, give me back the controls!”........Hammond
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I hope there’s a funny picture when those of us who depend on the EU trade link lose our jobs.
 
peteblue said:
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I quite liked this in the telegraph....

Imagine being on an aircraft coming in to land when the captain and her co-pilot abort touchdown at the last minute. Then imagine them aborting it again shortly afterwards.

Mercifully, there is another crew on board. So the captain is carted off, the co-pilot also removed and the new team in the cockpit calm the passengers by making an unequivocal promise that this time they will land. From first class to steerage, the passengers feel their stress levels subside thanks to the new pilot’s obvious assurance.

Suddenly the former co-pilot stands up and shouts: “You are doing it wrong, give me back the controls!”........Hammond
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Love an analogy, it’s the one thing Brexit has been good for.

Anyway, here’s some of those passengers feeling their stress levels subside thanks to the new pilot taking control with obvious assurance on July 23rd.

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peteblue said:
View attachment 65015

I quite liked this in the telegraph....

Imagine being on an aircraft coming in to land when the captain and her co-pilot abort touchdown at the last minute. Then imagine them aborting it again shortly afterwards.

Mercifully, there is another crew on board. So the captain is carted off, the co-pilot also removed and the new team in the cockpit calm the passengers by making an unequivocal promise that this time they will land. From first class to steerage, the passengers feel their stress levels subside thanks to the new pilot’s obvious assurance.

Suddenly the former co-pilot stands up and shouts: “You are doing it wrong, give me back the controls!”........Hammond
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Surely in this instance the new pilot takes the controls and says 'I'm going to land at all costs, even if it means crash landing. Everyone wants to land, it's what everyone agreed on. Landing is the prize, not doing it safely'
 
peteblue said:
Which bit did I get wrong ? That the DUP have a pact with the conservatives, SF are no longer part of the Assembly, or that SF refuse to take their seats at Westminster ?.......
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You said that SF don't even bother to represent their electors in NI or Westminster. Your lack of detail once again exposes your lack of knowledge. Perhaps you may want to give us the reasons why SF 'don't bother' to represent their electors in NI or Westminster? Or don't you know?
 
Bluerover said:
The supermarkets begin serious stockpiling for Christmas months ahead, but it is the short shelf-life fresh goods, and ingredients from/through EU for UK food manufacturers that will be threatened.

There may be an opening for SPAM to make a come-back!!

Yum yum - Christmas morning fry-up!!

Image result for SPAM sketch
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So French farmers etc., are going to be stuck with short shelf life products that they can't sell and have to plough back in? Maybe they will make sure that the products get through.
 
peteblue said:
Which bit did I get wrong ? That the DUP have a pact with the conservatives, SF are no longer part of the Assembly, or that SF refuse to take their seats at Westminster ?.......
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You said neither of those things. You said SF don't represent their voters - they represent them by refusing to attend, their voters know what they are voting for. Or do you not agree with that democracy?

You also don';t tell the truth about how the negotiations have gone
 
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