Current Affairs EU In or Out

[spectateur]

Sack Spectateur for being unloyal... disloyal

Sorry, My excuse is I speak more in French than English nowadays. Must do better!

 

[The binman chronicles]

More and more people cottoning on to the fact a no deal will doom the UK as a union of four nations. Here is Pie's take:

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

All Johnson is done is have the Westminster playground to himself and his cronies, while grown ups have been away on their holidays, a few rebuttals have started to come in now, expect things to get much louder from here now.
And before snowflakes start whining about national emergency, it won't necessarily be the MP, but asissants, civil service etc. Without these support services there is much nothingness.

 

[Piijt]

Head of Admiral insurance on Radio 4 this morning stating they are now fully prepared for a hard Brexit. They opened an office in Spain to manage their European operation causing job cuts in Cardiff and expect insurance premiums to increase as the majority of replacement car parts are imported from Europe.
To think the government believe people voted for this scenario baffles me.

 

[orchard]

Head of Admiral insurance on Radio 4 this morning stating they are now fully prepared for a hard Brexit. They opened an office in Spain to manage their European operation causing job cuts in Cardiff and expect insurance premiums to increase as the majority of replacement car parts are imported from Europe.
To think the government believe people voted for this scenario baffles me.

They don't mate.

 

[Piijt]

They don't mate.

I should have said the leader of our government !

 

[orchard]

I should have said the leader of our government !

No mate, the point i was trying to make was they know most people who voted way-back for leave, didn't vote for that outcome - but it's the current government's preferred outcome and they'll say anything to get it over the line, and their enablers will publish any sort of nonsense in an attempt to justify it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No mate, the point i was trying to make was they know most people who voted way-back for leave, didn't vote for that outcome - but it's the current government's preferred outcome and they'll say anything to get it over the line, and their enablers will publish any sort of nonsense in an attempt to justify it.

The thing is, Brexit is a sunk cost for most people, and they're undertaking all manner of mental contortions now to pretend this was exactly what they voted for so as not to have to change their mind. And I suspect the government are all too well aware of this and their ability to metaphorically 'shoot someone in Time Square and no one would care'

 

[peteblue]

The thing is, Brexit is a sunk cost for most people, and they're undertaking all manner of mental contortions now to pretend this was exactly what they voted for so as not to have to change their mind. And I suspect the government are all too well aware of this and their ability to metaphorically 'shoot someone in Time Square and no one would care'

This is the fault of Remoaners pure and simple. Instead of backing the PM to negotiate a proper deal they hamstrung her from the very beginning. The opposition were just playing politics, but Hammond and co inside of government put the U.K. in a terrible negotiating position. Using the usual remainer argument, at the 2016 and 2017 votes I don’t remember anyone voting to take ‘no deal’ off the table, but that is exactly what Parliament did. They gave the EU all the support they needed to stitch up the worst possible deal on the basis of trying to reverse the original vote. It was cynical and it continues to this day. Did I want a deal, yes, would I take this deal, no, would I take no deal, yes.......now stop shooting ourselves in the foot and see what transpires.......

 

[zzr45]

This is the fault of Remoaners pure and simple. Instead of backing the PM to negotiate a proper deal they hamstrung her from the very beginning. The opposition were just playing politics, but Hammond and co inside of government put the U.K. in a terrible negotiating position. Using the usual remainer argument, at the 2016 and 2017 votes I don’t remember anyone voting to take ‘no deal’ off the table, but that is exactly what Parliament did. They gave the EU all the support they needed to stitch up the worst possible deal on the basis of trying to reverse the original vote. It was cynical and it continues to this day. Did I want a deal, yes, would I take this deal, no, would I take no deal, yes.......now stop shooting ourselves in the foot and see what transpires.......

Bollocks.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This is the fault of Remoaners pure and simple. Instead of backing the PM to negotiate a proper deal they hamstrung her from the very beginning. The opposition were just playing politics, but Hammond and co inside of government put the U.K. in a terrible negotiating position. Using the usual remainer argument, at the 2016 and 2017 votes I don’t remember anyone voting to take ‘no deal’ off the table, but that is exactly what Parliament did. They gave the EU all the support they needed to stitch up the worst possible deal on the basis of trying to reverse the original vote. It was cynical and it continues to this day. Did I want a deal, yes, would I take this deal, no, would I take no deal, yes.......now stop shooting ourselves in the foot and see what transpires.......

The referendum didn't specify what kind of deal we would have, so I don't see how you can now throw your toys out of the pram about what May came back with, which, lest we forget, seems to have hit the rocks based upon a backstop agreement that could easily be resolved by virtue of the technological solutions that you and others have said are easily available, but which have yet to materialise. That's all it takes - a solution to the border in Ireland. You've said these solutions exist right now, yet even with all the tubthumping from Johnson, Gove et al about the undemocratic nature of this backstop, no moves have been put in place to test such technologies. You've been had Pete.

 

[Jebus_lives]

This is the fault of Remoaners pure and simple. Instead of backing the PM to negotiate a proper deal they hamstrung her from the very beginning. The opposition were just playing politics, but Hammond and co inside of government put the U.K. in a terrible negotiating position. Using the usual remainer argument, at the 2016 and 2017 votes I don’t remember anyone voting to take ‘no deal’ off the table, but that is exactly what Parliament did. They gave the EU all the support they needed to stitch up the worst possible deal on the basis of trying to reverse the original vote. It was cynical and it continues to this day. Did I want a deal, yes, would I take this deal, no, would I take no deal, yes.......now stop shooting ourselves in the foot and see what transpires.......

Brexit would be a roaring success if it weren't for the following:

• The EU
• Remainers
• Scottish
• Irish
• Northern Irish
• Negativity
• Lack of work ethic
• Judiciary
• Parliamentary system
• Big Business
• Small business
• Civil Service
• Theresa May
• Millennials
• Corbyn
• Media bias
• Bank of England
• Bercow

Ill leave some space for you to add on a few more.

 

[Amw79]

This is the fault of Remoaners pure and simple. Instead of backing the PM to negotiate a proper deal they hamstrung her from the very beginning. The opposition were just playing politics, but Hammond and co inside of government put the U.K. in a terrible negotiating position. Using the usual remainer argument, at the 2016 and 2017 votes I don’t remember anyone voting to take ‘no deal’ off the table, but that is exactly what Parliament did. They gave the EU all the support they needed to stitch up the worst possible deal on the basis of trying to reverse the original vote. It was cynical and it continues to this day. Did I want a deal, yes, would I take this deal, no, would I take no deal, yes.......now stop shooting ourselves in the foot and see what transpires.......

Brexit: the fault of everyone, except those who voted for it or championed it.

 

[The binman chronicles]

This is the fault of Remoaners pure and simple. Instead of backing the PM to negotiate a proper deal they hamstrung her from the very beginning. The opposition were just playing politics, but Hammond and co inside of government put the U.K. in a terrible negotiating position. Using the usual remainer argument, at the 2016 and 2017 votes I don’t remember anyone voting to take ‘no deal’ off the table, but that is exactly what Parliament did. They gave the EU all the support they needed to stitch up the worst possible deal on the basis of trying to reverse the original vote. It was cynical and it continues to this day. Did I want a deal, yes, would I take this deal, no, would I take no deal, yes.......now stop shooting ourselves in the foot and see what transpires.......

The problem is you keep thinking we had power in these negotiations. The way you talk you'd think we were the rest of the EU dealing with the UK. If they gave us a great deal then the EU would cease to exist, so the EU's stance has followed a predictable and logical pattern. People here will still buy german cars, anything we manufacture can and will move to the continent.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The referendum didn't specify what kind of deal we would have, so I don't see how you can now throw your toys out of the pram about what May came back with, which, lest we forget, seems to have hit the rocks based upon a backstop agreement that could easily be resolved by virtue of the technological solutions that you and others have said are easily available, but which have yet to materialise. That's all it takes - a solution to the border in Ireland. You've said these solutions exist right now, yet even with all the tubthumping from Johnson, Gove et al about the undemocratic nature of this backstop, no moves have been put in place to test such technologies. You've been had Pete.

'We want to leave the European Union'.

Theresa May comes back with a Withdrawal Agreement meaning we can leave the EU.

'no not like that!'