Current Affairs Ukraine

[jaspercabbage]

Trump was totally unpredictable and that was his strength. Everyone on the planet knows what Biden will do, or rather will not do……

Trump was utterly predictable, he was and is only ever interested in whatever increases his own wealth and power. Nothing else is of any interest to him, especially people in a country he couldn't even point out on map.

 

[peteblue]

Croesus was a legendarily rich king of Lydia who asked the oracle at Delphi what would happen if he invaded Persia, and they told him he'd destroy a great empire. He went in, lost and his empire was destroyed.

Roz tells her story much better though:

I’ll be honest, I always fancied Roz…..

 

[PhilM]

No it's not. Its simplistic to compare any historic event, with different stakes, countries, relations and other specifics to any modern event.

Somebody mentioned Sudetenland:
Sudetenland is a region controlled by Austria-Hungary since the fifteenth century until Versailles in 1918. The region itself only got a name when the Germans claimed it when the Checho-Slowakians got it after the first WW. A majority was (not anymore) German speaking. There was never an invasion.

The Anschluss @ClausThomsen was referring to was broadly supported by both Austria and Germany. I don't see how this is even mildly similar. What can you do about that. Declare war?

It wasn’t. I did a nice study on the Anschluss for my masters, so when I’ve finished my shift I’ll throw some points in a post. And Austria-Hungry is not and wasn’t German in the modern sense.

 

[blulouie]

Is there any kind of round up I can read or watch so I can understand a bit more about this?

For the first time in ages I feel lost, I think I only understand about 10% of it lol

Just Putin auditioning for a remake of White Heat.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

I’ll be honest, I always fancied Roz…..

yep, she's fit lol

 

[PhilM]

NATO won’t defend the Baltic states they say.

US to move troops within Europe - Pentagon​

Following President Biden's address, the Pentagon has confirmed US troop movements within Europe in response to the situation in Ukraine.
Some 800 infantry soldiers will be deployed from Italy to the Baltic region, and as many as eight F-35 fighter jets to Nato's eastern flank, the US Defense Department said.
The US will also send 32 AH-64 Apache attack helicopters to the Baltic region and to Poland, a government official said.

Haven’t we just doubled the size of our battles groups there too?

 

[Mr K.Dilkington]

Trump was totally unpredictable and that was his strength. Everyone on the planet knows what Biden will do, or rather will not do……

Being batshit crazy, or grossly incompetent and stupid, is not a strength.

 

[BlueTX]

Being batshit crazy, or grossly incompetent and stupid, is not a strength.

Nor is firmly planting your lips on Putin's backside in hopes of one day being granted a hotel in Moscow a strength.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Being batshit crazy, or grossly incompetent and stupid, is not a strength.

Tell that to Kim Jong Il. Playing that role worked quite well for him in negotiations with the United States, and others. If you calibrate your demands right, being totally unreasonable works very well in negotiations. Of course, it's a recipe for bargaining failure if you overshoot the target.

Nor is firmly planting your lips on Putin's backside in hopes of one day being granted a hotel in Moscow a strength.

The word for this is 'corruption', which we generally frown upon except where Fox News is concerned.

 

[Mr K.Dilkington]

Tell that to Kim Jong Il. Playing that role worked quite well for him in negotiations with the United States, and others. If you calibrate your demands right, being totally unreasonable works very well in negotiations. Of course, it's a recipe for bargaining failure if you overshoot the target.


The word for this is 'corruption', which we generally frown upon except where Fox News is concerned.

So his strength was negotiating with a 3rd world country? Gotcha.

 

[Martin Alvito]

So his strength was negotiating with a 3rd world country? Gotcha.

Kim Jong Il was dead by the time Trump was president. You may want to reread what I said. If you have an interest in this stuff, look up the Agreed Framework between the US and North Korea in 1994 and other attempts by North Korea to extort the United States and others using its nuclear program.

 

[Mr K.Dilkington]

Kim Jong Il was dead by the time Trump was president. You may want to reread what I said. If you have an interest in this stuff, look up the Agreed Framework between the US and North Korea in 1994 and other attempts by North Korea to extort the United States and others using its nuclear program.

Missread what you typed completely. Well aware of the rest of the stuff.

 

[Tree13]

Personally it’s not worth the aggro - give Putin the bits of land he wants in Ukraine. It won’t happen though.

I see no reason why we are even interested in the area.

We will just get hit with high gas and oil as a result.

Kev.

When you chat myopic bobbins in the NFL thread it's relatively harmless and mildly amusing. When you do it in this thread however, it makes you look like a complete and utter fool.

If memory serves, didn't the West / NATO / some similar group convince Ukraine to abandon any nuclear ambitions by pledging to guarantee their borders and sovereignty? Can someone please confirm if I am remembering this correctly, or if I'm thinking of a different country entirely.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No it's not. Its simplistic to compare any historic event, with different stakes, countries, relations and other specifics to any modern event.

Somebody mentioned Sudetenland:
Sudetenland is a region controlled by Austria-Hungary since the fifteenth century until Versailles in 1918. The region itself only got a name when the Germans claimed it when the Checho-Slowakians got it after the first WW. A majority was (not anymore) German speaking. There was never an invasion.

The Anschluss @ClausThomsen was referring to was broadly supported by both Austria and Germany. I don't see how this is even mildly similar. What can you do about that. Declare war?

Err, no. The Kingdom of Bohemia was established in the 12th century

Kingdom of Bohemia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The region was German speaking because it was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire, so German was widely spoken. Famous Czechs, like Kafka for instance, wrote primarily in German for that reason. That didn't make him German and apart from Henlein and his cronies, few in CZ wanted the region to become part of Germany.

 

[Haydn]

Tough sanctions will show Russia we mean business. Not...

Notwithstanding the recent “barrage” of trade sanctions, we surely need to do stuff that also gets the immediate attention of Joe Comrade on the Moscow omnibus.

There’s plenty of anti Putin sentiment in Russia, they don’t all buy that warrior posturing. Making it clear that they will all be hit because Putin is bang out of order should be a priority.

I doubt many Muscovites went down the Hammer and Sickle recently for a jar and ranted on that an invasion of Ukraine was well overdue.

Places on the med and further afield are heaving with Russians in the summer.

Banning all Russian passport holders from travelling internationally would seem like a simple way to start.

Suspending all flights to and from Russia also seems like another reasonable step to further isolate them as a pariah state.

Lots of other options particularly sport related, whereby they should just be lobbed out of every international competition immediately.

Putin seems like a guy with a hefty ego who wants to protect himself and also establish a legacy. Undermining his credibility with his own people would seem a good place to start.