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[Spadge Vernacular]

What missile error?

India accidentally fires missile into Pakistan

Delhi blames a "technical malfunction" for the incident, which it called "deeply regrettable".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[DualityNSNO]

I mean that's cool. Won't do anything, but small steps and all.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

India accidentally fires missile into Pakistan

Delhi blames a "technical malfunction" for the incident, which it called "deeply regrettable".

www.bbc.co.uk

Oh, I totally missed this

 

[DualityNSNO]

Oh, I totally missed this

So did India tbh.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

 

[maccavennie]

Yep, one lunatic can do this on nothing more than a ideological whim it seems

Unreal isn't it. You'd think everyone against it, all the leaders, all that power should be allowed to say "nah, we're not having it and you must step-down from your position as your not acting in the best interests if your country".

But it really does seem they just decide when they want to go to war and it's very difficult to stop them

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Unreal isn't it. You'd think everyone against it, all the leaders, all that power should be allowed to say "nah, we're not having it and you must step-down from your position as your not acting in the best interests if your country".

But it really does seem they just decide when they want to go to war and it's very difficult to stop them

This is it
The most hated man in the world today and he’s untouchable

 

[Tree13]

That's correct, of course. But Russia doesn't have a big radar alerting it when trucks and trains cross the border and, therefore, plausible deniability is maintained.

But the countries supplying the weapons are openly stating they're doing it, so aren't trying to deny it.

 

[Tree13]

I’d assume that the issue is that you offer an easy target when the high value transfer is happening, the air base, versus a decentralized and hard to to identify fleet of trucks etc carrying comparatively lower value items.

That's true, but isn't relevant to the point I raised.

Why would any same person be "happy" with a dozen countries openly supplying weapons to an opponent during a war, but treat the potential supply of aircraft as an unacceptable escalation?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I simply don't follow the logic here. I cannot see why donated jets would be Putin's "line in the sand" that would see him declare war on NATO. Let me explain my thinking.

Several Western countries, including the USA, the UK, several EU states and some non-EU NATO countries, have sent and continue to send weapons and munitions in significant volume to Ukraine. Most notably the MANPADs and NLAWs that have been used to significant effect against Russian aircraft and Russian armoured vehicles, enouh that Putin's original timetable of invasion has been completely thrown out the window. Add to that the very public use of Bayraktar drones - donated or sold by Turkey, IIRC, to Ukraine - to slow down and degrade Russian armoured columns and supply vehicles. THEN consider the shipments of bullets, grenades, rifles, machine guns etc etc that have been very openly supplied by various governments - the Finnish government listed exactly what they were sending on their official website!

All this kit is being used to shoot down Russian helicopters and planes, to blow up Russian tanks, to kill Russian troops: but despite it being absolutely confirmed, open knowledge that NATO countries and non-NATO EU countries are supplying this kit, Putin hasn't escalated.

I grudgingly concede that deploying NATO planes / helicopters with NATO pilots would be a different kettle of fish, but just giving the jets to Ukraine in the same way we're giving them hundreds of anti-air and anti-armour weapons each day? No, I don't get it.

Maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe Putin drawing this line is simply more evidence that he's gone entirely off the reservation.

I do wonder what else is being provided by the West though - I bet the number of transport helicopters and armoured fighting vehicles in the Ukrainian military has mysteriously increased in the last ten days.

I agree. Why the use of nato jets would be the catalyst when nato weapons have been openly deployed en masse makes no sense
I just feel it would be seen as the “line in the sand” as you put it, especially if ANY non UKR pilots are involved

 

[devogue]

 

[peteblue]

Unfortunately no. He committed his elite air assault units (VDV). They got battered. He has also committed his Spetsnaz units - they’ve also been badly mauled. He put in his Chechens, they were slaughtered. He’s lost at least 3 high ranking generals and a mob of high- ranking officers.

His 1st and 4th guards tank armies have been malleted. Only his naval infantry assault units in the south have had any success.

I’d say he’s lost a big chunk of his elite units already

I read something that said, his military hardware losses so far could have equipped the whole of the German army….

 

[peteblue]

It’s staggering, that after Hitler, the world has to put up with a single man who can drag Europe and Russia to the precipice. Ffs Russians just kill the mad b’stard……

 

[Toffee-nerd]

Been speaking to my Aunt about this. She and both my cousins, my uncle etc were/are still in the British military and well connected still. She says we do have boots on the ground in Ukraine in an unofficial capacity on intelligence gathering. Suppose it's not suprising but it absolutely scared the bejeezus out of me, what if they are captured etc? Suppose it's no different to what the Russians did in Crimea but it's already ww3 by proxy. My cousin was supposed to be deployed overseas but the deployment has been put on hold based on Ukraine. She was saying they can't see how this ends, they will take Ukraine, they have too much force. Then what.