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[cooperman]

Was saying last night - I wonder if people carried on as normal in early 1939 and tried to deny the inevitable?

I don't believe in fighting or war so would take the jail option. any interest I have in this is purely selfish. I just never thought this would potentially happen in my lifetime!

You can be pretty sure it won't come to that. If this escalates to a world war then the gloves would come off quickly, it would be over quickly. We would cross the nuclear threshold in no time

 

[Tree13]

The type of person who should be sanctioned.

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Would happily sanction her firmly and vigorously... ?

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

You can be pretty sure it won't come to that. If this escalates to a world war then the gloves would come off quickly, it would be over quickly. We would cross the nuclear threshold in no time

I suppose if there is a slight plus point that could be it.

No years of horrific trench warfare, in a nuclear war millions would be killed in minutes.

They would be the lucky ones.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Putin is likely to hit NATO in the Baltic if he wins in Ukraine, EU vice president warns

Valdis Dombrovskis says ‘appeasement of the aggressor’ is not working.

www.politico.eu

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

At the end of this whatever the outcome Russia has to be dismantled as a nuclear power.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[Tree13]

Jesus H. Christ.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Putin is likely to hit NATO in the Baltic if he wins in Ukraine, EU vice president warns

Valdis Dombrovskis says ‘appeasement of the aggressor’ is not working.

www.politico.eu

EU president warns, approximately 15 years too late.

 

[Tramps_mate]

This is why, in general, i think the West has made about the best fist of this it could.

The difference between 1939 and today is that the world is infinitely more connected and interdependent. An isolationist strategy is economic suicide.

The key here is not to get into a shooting match with Russia regardless of provocation and wait for economics to grind down Putin's war machine or make his position untenable (whilst providing a face saving off-ramp for Russia).

I think NATO the US and the EU are walking that tightrope pretty effectively presently.

The Chinese are absolutely terrified of sanctions against them like Russia are facing!! It will destroy them.

The UK and US cannot show military support for Ukraine as the Russians will take that as a declaration for war!

 

[Bluerover]

The Chinese are absolutely terrified of sanctions against them like Russia are facing!! It will destroy them.

The UK and US cannot show military support for Ukraine as the Russians will take that as a declaration for war!

China owns many of the western economies including the US

 

[Yarrgh]

The Chinese are absolutely terrified of sanctions against them like Russia are facing!! It will destroy them.

The UK and US cannot show military support for Ukraine as the Russians will take that as a declaration for war!

After Russia is democratised, China is next.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Estonia seems confident

We don’t have a war here in Estonia. Not even tomorrow, our dear friends in the West! — Invest in Estonia

Our dear friends in the West, we don’t have a war here in Estonia. And also not tomorrow. Your businesses and investments are safe here under the wing of NATO. Estonia has been a member of NATO since 2004.

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[Tree13]

Was the right thing to do if we want to avoid ww3

I simply don't follow the logic here. I cannot see why donated jets would be Putin's "line in the sand" that would see him declare war on NATO. Let me explain my thinking.

Several Western countries, including the USA, the UK, several EU states and some non-EU NATO countries, have sent and continue to send weapons and munitions in significant volume to Ukraine. Most notably the MANPADs and NLAWs that have been used to significant effect against Russian aircraft and Russian armoured vehicles, enouh that Putin's original timetable of invasion has been completely thrown out the window. Add to that the very public use of Bayraktar drones - donated or sold by Turkey, IIRC, to Ukraine - to slow down and degrade Russian armoured columns and supply vehicles. THEN consider the shipments of bullets, grenades, rifles, machine guns etc etc that have been very openly supplied by various governments - the Finnish government listed exactly what they were sending on their official website!

All this kit is being used to shoot down Russian helicopters and planes, to blow up Russian tanks, to kill Russian troops: but despite it being absolutely confirmed, open knowledge that NATO countries and non-NATO EU countries are supplying this kit, Putin hasn't escalated.

I grudgingly concede that deploying NATO planes / helicopters with NATO pilots would be a different kettle of fish, but just giving the jets to Ukraine in the same way we're giving them hundreds of anti-air and anti-armour weapons each day? No, I don't get it.

Maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe Putin drawing this line is simply more evidence that he's gone entirely off the reservation.

I do wonder what else is being provided by the West though - I bet the number of transport helicopters and armoured fighting vehicles in the Ukrainian military has mysteriously increased in the last ten days.

 

[BlueTX]

Jesus H. Christ.

Send the anchor to the front lines to do some reporting.

 

[grandjoeblue]

At the end of this whatever the outcome Russia has to be dismantled as a nuclear power.

How would that work? By force? Good luck with that.