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Mutzo Nutzo said:
Spetsnaz units are as far as Russian military philisophy is concerned the “tip of the spear”.

Go back to the early airborne assault Hostomel airfield just NW of Kyiv. That was a key target. They would have made up a large portion of the assault troops in that engagement.

Fact is they got battered. Take nothing from them though - they just didn’t get any armour to support them and the Ukes steamrollered them.
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Well aware of who/what they are, but also well aware of how they are trained and very much doubt they'd get battered so quickly and so easily.

Also imagine being the Russians, knowing where you're going and sending in your special forces... with no support and no armor. How does that sound like that?

I don't, for a second, believe they were really spetsnaz, or at least not fully trained ones - in a "desperate to impress" army your training ending 6 months or whatever earlier just so that you're the lowest rank in the spetsnaz unit; can see it. My uncle was a higher up in our army and he's confirmed to me they've done questionable things like that before (even comically promoting someone on the spot to the rank above so they can send him in to report something he knew nothing about only to get humiliated and punished without his knowledge etc.). This is post-Soviet here, so I'd imagine Putin will no doubt sign off on that. Keep in mind that as long as he had an excuse to bomb more (which "they took down our spetsnaz" basically is) - he would have.

Point is, maybe sending the 'spetsnaz' was a bit of a mind game - sure, maybe there was a few of the actual ones here, but the rest... nah. The airport is Russian now anyway, so maybe if information comes out at a later point - we'll see.

Of course, I might be insanely wrong, which I hope I am - the Ukrainians defending legitimate spetsnaz would be better for their morale then them finding out they defeated units of... kids in SWAT gear.
 
DualityNSNO said:
Well aware of who/what they are, but also well aware of how they are trained and very much doubt they'd get battered so quickly and so easily.

Also imagine being the Russians, knowing where you're going and sending in your special forces... with no support and no armor. How does that sound like that?

I don't, for a second, believe they were really spetsnaz, or at least not fully trained ones - in a "desperate to impress" army your training ending 6 months or whatever earlier just so that you're the lowest rank in the spetsnaz unit; can see it. My uncle was a higher up in our army and he's confirmed to me they've done questionable things like that before (even comically promoting someone on the spot to the rank above so they can send him in to report something he knew nothing about only to get humiliated and punished without his knowledge etc.). This is post-Soviet here, so I'd imagine Putin will no doubt sign off on that. Keep in mind that as long as he had an excuse to bomb more (which "they took down our spetsnaz" basically is) - he would have.

Point is, maybe sending the 'spetsnaz' was a bit of a mind game - sure, maybe there was a few of the actual ones here, but the rest... nah. The airport is Russian now anyway, so maybe if information comes out at a later point - we'll see.

Of course, I might be insanely wrong, which I hope I am - the Ukrainians defending legitimate spetsnaz would be better for their morale then them finding out they defeated units of... kids in SWAT gear.
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Don’t forget that Ukraine have their own Spetsnaz units trained by U.K. and US special forces since 2015.

The slaughter at Hostomel airport was a planning disaster.

You can be the best assault infantry in the world but if you’re up against armour, artillery and opposition special forces without any of your own heavy armour support there’s only ever going to be one outcome (as the Brits found out at Arnhem during WWII).

I don’t know how these units are composed but I do know that a large number of Russian VDV and Spetsnaz units are no longer combat capable and have been withdrawn from the area.
 
Frenk said:
Agree, but look at the meetings they had towards the end of 2020 and the beginning of 2021, I believe not long after that in April of 2021 there was a significant build-up of Russian troops along the Ukraine border. I’m not saying it is the cause, but I am sure it is causing anger.
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The C*** (it’s all I can call
Him now) has it in for nato, eu and Ukraine. The thought of of these huge powers is too much for him, hence his attempts to weaken them all in recent years
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
Don’t forget that Ukraine have their own Spetsnaz units trained by U.K. and US special forces since 2015.

The slaughter at Hostomel airport was a planning disaster.

You can be the best assault infantry in the world but if you’re up against armour, artillery and opposition special forces without any of your own heavy armour support there’s only ever going to be one outcome (as the Brits found out at Arnhem during WWII).

I don’t know how these units are composed but I do know that a large number of Russian VDV and Spetsnaz units are no longer combat capable and have been withdrawn from the area.
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As I said, I honestly hope I'm wrong and you're right.

I just won't put it beyond doubt, as comically bad as the Russians have been with the planning overall.
 
DualityNSNO said:
As I said, I honestly hope I'm wrong and you're right.

I just won't put it beyond doubt, as comically bad as the Russians have been with the planning overall.
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Russia seems to have a never-ending supply of troops and they are more than willing to commit them to the meat-grinder.

I remember the bodies coming back from Afghanistan and the outrage that caused here. In 10 years the U.K. lost about 470 dead, compare that to the Russian body count in Ukraine - it’s frightening.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
Thing is his armed forces have been shown up to be Sh1te. If they were half way decent they’d have wrapped this thing up by now.

Reports flying around are that he’s lost close to 10K killed and if you apply standard battlefield maths of a ratio of 3:1 for wounded that means a further 30K have been wounded. Now think about how many Russian scruffs just dropped their weapons and ran away? Let’s be generous to Putin and say 5K legged it.

So out of 180K - he’s lost 45K. That’s a force degradation of 22% and that’s not even looking at the amount of tanks, IFV’s, aircraft, heli’s and other hardware that he’s lost.

It’s a serious problem for him as these personnel losses would have been his so-called “elite” assault troops. What’s left are 2nd and 3rd echelon troops.

He brought in the Chechens - they got slapped, now he’s bringing in Syrians and Africans - well they’re gonna get slapped as well. Then he has a decision to make. He can’t win this war so what does he do?

That’s when it gets scary.
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And he hasn't even got to the point of pure and out urban warfare yet really. Can you imagine them big commie blocks. Snipers dream.
 
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