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[DualityNSNO]

Don't get me wrong, nukes can wreak damage like no other, but I think thanks to movies people vastly over estimate the immediate damage. Even Tsar Bomba (the 50Mt weapon the Soviets tested) would flatten a city, and the pressure wave would travel for several miles killing a lot of people, they won't gouge out huge holes in the planet.

A shockwave from a land based weapon wouldn't create any meaningful sub-surface wave. And even if it did, it wouldn't effect a sub in the slightest. The nuke would have to detonate underwater, i would probably say less than 10 miles from the sub for it to be a danger.....(though that is purely speculation, AFAIK it isn't something that has been tested (or at least release publicly))

Yeah what I meant. A lot of good scientific videos of the damage it would do (Kurzgesagt especially if anyone wants to watch), but not really something that gets tested that way *for some reason* lol

As I said, hopefully we don't see what happens.

 

[PhilM]

That's the general US take. MIRVs in the 80-ish kt range. With high CEP's they are incredibly accurate and can (and will, if needed) be used for pin-point surgical strikes on strategic targets. We stay away from the air-burst city busters these days (though they do still exist)

You'll know a lot more than I do, but from the same person I was under the impression that many of the SLBMs don't carry their maximum warhead payload.

With the high CEP rates and lower yields, he alluded that a precision strike on Catterick Garrison could leave Catterick itself with only slight damage.

In terms of Liverpool, that's like dropping an air bust 50-100Kt weapon on one of the cathedrals, and your house in Huyton may actually be fine.

He'd had about seven pints at the time though, so he may have been chatting utter wham.

 

[jaspercabbage]

Right, the problem for the Ukrainians is that while their ire may be directed at Putin, it's the enemy soldiers that are within reach.

This is what leads people down the slippery slope of dehumanizing the enemy. The problem with attacks on civilians is that it eventually turns the other side into monsters. This is, however, exactly what Putin wants from a propaganda standpoint. If he can bait some atrocities out of the Ukrainians, it puts him in a position to both gain support for the continuance of the war at home and drive a wedge between Ukraine and the West.

He is unlikely to provoke atrocities from the Ukranians though because Putin's army is targetting civilians, and Ukranians are only engaging with invading forces as you say, and not Russian civilians.

 

[Ruairi77]

It means borderlands and saying "the ukraine" would've been normal... when they weren't a country.

Now I think it's a bit weird though.

Then again, not the most important thing currently happening there, was just wondering!

ah right, didn't know that!

 

[Haydn]

Just

Hey, I will take this moment to plug the 1950's movie "On The Beach" with Gregory Peck. Warning, its quite depressing, but incredibly powerful.

On first reading I thought you were referring to the very depressing Everton documentary “On The Bleach” there.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I thinks it’s more of a result of assessing the risk of escalating tensions with Russia versus the impact that these ageing fighters would have.

What Ukraine needs are manpads, ATGM’s, missiles for their S-300 AD systems, food and ammo.

 

[Runub]

Another capture by Ukrainian farmers

I was thinking about this. Clearly it is dangerous for the West to provide Ukraine with war planes etc as it could escalate the war. Why not flood Ukraine with tractors? Inexpensive, not suspicious….just rob all the Russian’s gear and job done

 

[grandjoeblue]

Realistically how long can this go on? The suffering is going to get worse over the next week or two.

 

[Frenk]

Do people remember back in 2008 when we had the Russian-Georgia war? I don’t seem to remember much of a public outrage. What is Georgia’s strategic positioning on gas lines, oil production/reserves?

It just bothers me when I think how the west seems to only become bothered by things like this when certain criteria is met.

 

[Davideeyore]

Mate, this is the danger if it escalates. There will be no winners in this crisis. Russian citizens will suffer economically at the very least. Ukrainian citizens are being bombed and homeless.

If NATO take action, it moves to M.A.D. for most of Europe.. Putin has access to thousands of nuclear weapons.

I think this is beyond a point of no return.

I am angry, really really angry, that we "the west" are standing by and watching Russia slaughter and destroy Ukraine. This is the first mistake of the "the west". Nevermind the sanctions, and "Putin must fail" mantra. It's absolutely not even a grain of relevance to the people being bombed, killed and displaced. It also punishes ordinary Russian people who let's face it, are controlled, so they are doubley punished.

The Second World War had already begun in Europe before Germany invaded Poland. That was the trigger to declare war on Germany but the US didn't come in until after Pearl Harbour.

Snapshot from Wiki:
"In Europe, Germany and Italy were becoming more aggressive. In March 1938, Germany annexed Austria, again provoking little response from other European powers.[52] Encouraged, Hitler began pressing German claims on the Sudetenland, an area of Czechoslovakia with a predominantly ethnic German population."

Obviously world leaders know more than me. They fear escalation from Putin. As a Ukrainian lady I think she's an MP, said on Sky before, "those worried about WW3, I have a surprise for you, It has already started".

Like President Zelenskyy said millions could die. I think it's just the start. UNLESS, they take direct action to stop the Russian Army and stop take out Putin.

There is blood on their hands, Blow Job, and Biden and all the other leaders. Putin is just an evil scourge on the world but to stand by and let him carry on is no different to allowing Hitler to rebuild Germany and take Europe.

 

[Frenk]

OK let me make it clear. No fence riding. What I said is what I believe will happen. I thought that was pretty clear. I say I hope I'm wrong because I don't want it to be the case but it is. Ukraine aren't beating Russia, at least not without NATO, and that would mean WW3.

If you think otherwise fine, that's up to you. I mean, that's what the papers and blue ticks on twitter keep telling everyone is happening so it's no surprise people think that way but once you look beyond those places it's just not reality. So it ticks me off seeing all the rubbish being shared in here and believed from media sources/ or verified twitter accounts etc.

Everyone with the blinkers on in here and lapping up the good news /propaganda like small steps towards victory, thinking that this is going to have a good outcome for Ukraine/ the West are in for a reality check soon. This won't be a prolonged event either, a few more weeks and we'll have our conclusion. Hopefully that's not WW3.

Unfortunately I agree with this. Providing military equipment after the fact will certainly heighten tensions. Despite the intel I don’t think the west prepares well enough for this.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Do people remember back in 2008 when we had the Russian-Georgia war? I don’t seem to remember much of a public outrage. What is Georgia’s strategic positioning on gas lines, oil production/reserves?

It just bothers me when I think how the west seems to only become bothered by things like this when certain criteria is met.

Totally agree. If the West had stood up for Georgia and Russia’s annexation of Crimea things may have turned out differently for Ukraine.

Instead we put a few pathetic sanctions in place, shook our fists and carried on systematically dismantling our own armed forces.

 

[Frenk]

I think this is beyond a point of no return.

I am angry, really really angry, that we "the west" are standing by and watching Russia slaughter and destroy Ukraine. This is the first mistake of the "the west". Nevermind the sanctions, and "Putin must fail" mantra. It's absolutely not even a grain of relevance to the people being bombed, killed and displaced. It also punishes ordinary Russian people who let's face it, are controlled, so they are doubley punished.

The Second World War had already begun in Europe before Germany invaded Poland. That was the trigger to declare war on Germany but the US didn't come in until after Pearl Harbour.

Snapshot from Wiki:
"In Europe, Germany and Italy were becoming more aggressive. In March 1938, Germany annexed Austria, again provoking little response from other European powers.[52] Encouraged, Hitler began pressing German claims on the Sudetenland, an area of Czechoslovakia with a predominantly ethnic German population."

Obviously world leaders know more than me. They fear escalation from Putin. As a Ukrainian lady I think she's an MP, said on Sky before, "those worried about WW3, I have a surprise for you, It has already started".

Like President Zelenskyy said millions could die. I think it's just the start. UNLESS, they take direct action to stop the Russian Army and stop take out Putin.

There is blood on their hands, Blow Job, and Biden and all the other leaders. Putin is just an evil scourge on the world but to stand by and let him carry on is no different to allowing Hitler to rebuild Germany and take Europe.

I agree but do you join in a war that inevitably ends up turning nuclear and threatens the lives of billions of people? Do we have a right to make that decision for all those people?