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Zatara
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Its not "BS" as I stated it was reported from his own mouth in the media 2 or 3 days ago.
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"Unite NATO like Biden" are you kin kidding me??????
Thats honestly an absolutely bewildering take.
Poland and the UK have driven NATO along with the fantastic manouvering from Ukrainians leadership.
"Unite NATO like Biden"
Jesus Christ. The man doesnt know what country he's talking about...he literally stated that a "small" incursion wouldnt be punished.
It was pure posturing to push other countries to pay "their fair share".
The same posturing against Russia and China where he makes a threat and then (in his words) if they even "believe it just 5% or 10%" then he's succeeded in his bluff.
I find it bizarre for people to blame Trump for major problems which have occured under Biden. Its not Trumps watch but its any excuse to slate the bloke to absolve their incompetent coward of a leader of any blame.
Simple facts. If Trump was a "nice guy" they'd all love him...they just dont like his personality even though it got the job done.
Zatara
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Huge news.
I think all the Russian firms are now looking at overseas subsidiaries knowing that they will disintegrate.
BrendanGOT
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Right but none of us know the "plan" of Putin, if we did we'd be able to stop it. None if us know the "Russian playbook" either that keeps getting mentioned as a metric that apparently they are failing on according to our media and twitter sources.
End of the day Ukraine aren't winning this war against Russia alone, not even remotely. Its like saying Iraq beats USA. That's a cold hard reality and people can share as many tweets of pics showing deserted coloums of jeeps or the occasional downed plane/ heli, it doesn't change that fact and its not making a dent in the Russian war machine.
I mean do people in here really believe what they're reading /being told, by blue tick twitter accounts and the media outlets, translates to Ukraine having any chance of winning this disaster of a situation? Because they can't without NATO stepping in and NATO stepping in means WW3 which is far worse than the current situation. Sending weapons only prolongs Ukrainian suffering and serves as a proxy war for the West at the expense of more civilian lives.
The reality is Putin will get what he wants here, no doubt. There will be no Hauge trials or Putin loss to Ukraine or whatever else fairy tales people believe in here and it doesn't matter if he takes military losses... For every loss he takes Ukraine are taking 5 to 6 times more. He gets what he wants and his own puppet regime leader will be put in charge of Ukraine. Then Russia will withdraw, barring units they leave in Belarus and maybe Ukraine, and the West will be back at the negotiation table with Putin for resolution.
I don't know what people in here are expecting other than that. I've got slammed /called delusional and stupid for telling it as it is rather than towing the "party" line and saying sweet nothings about Ukraine and how they'll win... Im being a realist and I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am
Bluerover
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Beggars belief. Everton has probably done more than the UK Government.
Tennessee Blue Mike
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Your not delusional. You are 100% correct in your assesment with that timeline. But how long do you think the puppet government will last perhaps a year if lucky. Ukraine will get their country back way before Putin passes on. He won't be assassinated but his isolation will be the big worry. He knows we have all meddled and his threats will escalate but they will be paper thin the more he makes. He has the winning hand in the short term but his war machine has been exposed and will become less relevant
What has been on show here is the will of the people of Ukraine and their backbone and the coming together of the Western Alliance in a major wake up call. The bear awoke from it's slumber and it's made a calculated error that this would be a walkover. This will be newsmaker for quite some time. Time will be an ally. Even quicker if the oil flow is terminated.
The "reality" is this... but maybe not and you hope it's not but you think it is?
All due respect, that's not reality. That's guesswork.
The state of this.
It's true because Trump said so has to be one of the funniest and naive comments ever hahahaha!
BrendanGOT
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OK, constructive. The reality is what I said and I said, by some stroke of luck, I hope I'm wrong but that's the reality. If you think Ukraine are beating Russia without NATO stepping in then you're in for a wake up call pretty soon
It would be constructive if you grasped the point. Seems you have not, however. What you stated isn't "reality" it is opinion that is squishy by your own admission.
It's no more a "reality" that Russia will depose the current Ukrainian government and control via a puppet government than it will not - no matter what you think at present may happen in the future. You stated Putin will get what he wants in Ukraine, "no doubt." Again, that isn't a statement reflecting reality. It's an opinion that you later ride the fence about.
I have made no statement regarding Ukraine beating back Russia with or without NATO.
BrendanGOT
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OK let me make it clear. No fence riding. What I said is what I believe will happen. I thought that was pretty clear. I say I hope I'm wrong because I don't want it to be the case but it is. Ukraine aren't beating Russia, at least not without NATO, and that would mean WW3.
If you think otherwise fine, that's up to you. I mean, that's what the papers and blue ticks on twitter keep telling everyone is happening so it's no surprise people think that way but once you look beyond those places it's just not reality. So it ticks me off seeing all the rubbish being shared in here and believed from media sources/ or verified twitter accounts etc.
Everyone with the blinkers on in here and lapping up the good news /propaganda like small steps towards victory, thinking that this is going to have a good outcome for Ukraine/ the West are in for a reality check soon. This won't be a prolonged event either, a few more weeks and we'll have our conclusion. Hopefully that's not WW3.
Yarrgh
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Unfortunately I agree with most of what you write. Russia has taken over roughly the same land area as the UK in 2 weeks and they're getting portrayed like it's the keystone cops.
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