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Can you give me the Internet link for RT please.

Very very illiterate at this stuff I am.

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[BlueTX]

OK let me make it clear. No fence riding. What I said is what I believe will happen I say I hope I'm wrong because I don't want it to be the case but it is. Ukraine aren't beating Russia, at least not without NATO, and that would mean WW3. If you think otherwise fine, that's up to you, that's what the papers and blue ticks on twitter keep telling everyone is happening so it's no surprise people think that way but once you look beyond those places it's just not reality. So it ticks me off seeing all the rubbish being shared in here and believed from media sources/ or verified twitter accounts etc. Everyone with the blinkers on in here regarding the situation and lapping up the good news /propaganda, thinking that this is going to have a good outcome for Ukraine/ the West. This won't be a prolonged event either, a few more weeks and we'll have our conclusion. Hopefully that's not WW3.

What's clear is you believe your opinion is, in fact, reality and that perceived threats to "reality", or simply a pointing out of the differentiation between reality and opinion, and the people who share them are to be mocked.

OK.

While you are certainly free to keep writing "if you (BlueTX) believe..." But given I've written that I have indeed NOT said any such thing as you suggest, why would you?

It's a bummer you are ticked off by people viewing and sharing hopeful news in this time of despairing human calamity. Honestly, it's a bummer.

 

[BrendanGOT]

Unfortunately I agree with most of what you write. Russia has taken over roughly the same land area as the UK in 2 weeks and they're getting portrayed like it's the keystone cops.

This. All by land too basically which takes a lot longer than carpet bombing a place then rolling in.

 

[BrendanGOT]

What's clear is you believe your opinion is, in fact, reality and that perceived threats to "reality", or simply a pointing out of the differentiation between reality and opinion, and the people who share them are to be mocked.

OK.

While you are certainly free to keep writing "if you (BlueTX) believe..." But given I've written that I have indeed NOT said any such thing as you suggest, why would you?

It's a bummer you are ticked off by people viewing and sharing hopeful news in this time of despairing human calamity. Honestly, it's a bummer.

Ticked off by people ignoring the reality of a serious situation in exchange for fairytales and the occasional small piece of good news that does nothing to affect Putins war machine overall... it's a bummer you choose to see it the way you do. And barring NATO stepping in, it's not my opinion, it's fact.

 

[PhilM]

Unfortunately I agree with most of what you write. Russia has taken over roughly the same land area as the UK in 2 weeks and they're getting portrayed like it's the keystone cops.

There’s areas of Ukraine where they’ve moved through, but you could argue they yet to effectively hold as seen by the number on convoys being mauled.

I genuinely suspect/believe that the area of land under Russian control, to a standard most people expect, is much less than those shown on the maps.

Add to that, Russia is yet to command the air regardless of their ‘supposed’ superiority. For the supposed standard of their army, it is a very poor showing.

 

[BlueTX]

Ticked off by people ignoring the reality of a serious situation in exchange for fairytales and the occasional small piece of good news that does nothing to affect Putins war machine overall... it's a bummer you choose to see it the way you do. And barring NATO stepping in, it's not my opinion, it's fact.

Your confidence in your view is clear. It's simply not fact.

Sharing hopeful videos and reports isn't ignoring what's happening. Nor does it mean people here and around the world aren't doing what they can to counter Putin's war machine.

Ex. my wife and I contributed to the effort directly by funding the airfare for a volunteer who has joined the Ukrainian forces. We've given further funds directly to the Ukrainian military (and to humanitarian efforts).

I feel confident many who have shared videos and Tweets here have done the same.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Right but none of us know the "plan" of Putin, if we did we'd be able to stop it. None if us know the "Russian playbook" either that keeps getting mentioned as a metric that apparently they are failing on according to our media and twitter sources.

End of the day Ukraine aren't winning this war against Russia alone, not even remotely. Its like saying Iraq beats USA. That's a cold hard reality and people can share as many tweets of pics showing deserted coloums of jeeps or the occasional downed plane/ heli, it doesn't change that fact and its not making a dent in the Russian war machine.

I mean do people in here really believe what they're reading /being told, by blue tick twitter accounts and the media outlets, translates to Ukraine having any chance of winning this disaster of a situation? Because they can't without NATO stepping in and NATO stepping in means WW3 which is far worse than the current situation. Sending weapons only prolongs Ukrainian suffering and serves as a proxy war for the West at the expense of more civilian lives.

The reality is Putin will get what he wants here, no doubt. There will be no Hauge trials or Putin loss to Ukraine or whatever else fairy tales people believe in here and it doesn't matter if he takes military losses... For every loss he takes Ukraine are taking 5 to 6 times more. He gets what he wants and his own puppet regime leader will be put in charge of Ukraine. Then Russia will withdraw, barring units they leave in Belarus and maybe Ukraine, and the West will be back at the negotiation table with Putin for resolution.

I don't know what people in here are expecting other than that. I've got slammed /called delusional and stupid for telling it as it is rather than towing the "party" line and saying sweet nothings about Ukraine and how they'll win... Im being a realist and I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am

The thing is though mate, your posts tend to be ill informed and riddled with bias. I'm not sure if its an attempt to goad or based upon some grievance against the west/NATO but it is fairly consistent.

 

[BrendanGOT]

The thing is though mate, your posts tend to be ill informed and riddled with bias. I'm not sure if its an attempt to goad or based upon some grievance against the west/NATO but it is fairly consistent.

Yeah cuz I'm a Russian bot mate. I'm an Irish fella who's anti war and a realist that's it. Just because I'm not saying what you want me to say in this echo chamber in here doesn't make me "biased" or "ill informed". You've chosen to think that based upon your own bias assumptions toward me based on my opinion. Nothing I've said is ill informed, I've actually taken a lot of time to inform myself beyond current reports from the BBC and blue tick twitter accounts. This has been going on for 8 years.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

With each of these attacks on civilians the likelihood of other parties stepping in feels that little bit closer.

 

[Tree13]

Anyone know where Kev the Rat has gone? As shocking as the situation in Ukraine is, this thread is a bit less interesting without his analysis.

I hope he's ok. Genuinely think there's a strong chance he's been discovered in his room, fallen foul to some auto-erotic asphyxiation session gone wrong, with hentai porn playing in the background

I presume Kev was thread banned?

I think you're being very generous in describing his contributions as "analysis".

 

[Tree13]

Ahh ok.

I don't necessarily agree with the principle of de-platforming. I think morally wrong ideas are best discredited via open debate and opportunity for logical disproof in an open forum.

Kev sadly refused to enter into grown-up debate though. When challenged about his cut-and-paste approach to regurgitsting Russian state opinions, he took the immature approach of putting people on ignore and turning the process of doing so into a game for his amusement.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Yeah cuz I'm a Russian bot mate. I'm an Irish fella who's anti war and a realist that's it. Just because I'm not saying what you want me to say in this echo chamber in here doesn't make me "biased" or "ill informed". You've chosen to think that based upon your own bias assumptions toward me based on my opinion. Nothing I've said is ill informed, I've actually taken a lot of time to inform myself beyond current reports from the BBC and blue tick twitter accounts. This has been going on for 8 years.

Based upon the position you take on here I can say that if I were your dissertation supervisor you would have lots of red writing - thesis and there would be lots of paper in the bin!

It is fine to have an opinion but you need to understand that it is an opinion. If you have been 'informing' yourself you would need to understand the credibility of your sources. I see no evidence of even a semi critical approach.

The evidence suggests that Russia have captured only one city and this is just above the Russian controlled Crimea. The consensus from military analysts is alarm at the poor performance of the Russian forces and at their losses. Whether this is a result of poor planning, poor training, low troop moral or general incompetence we will have to wait to understand but the evidence from Russia's recent incursion into Georgia suggests the same gaps appear to exist.

If Russia persist I do not believe that the Ukrainians fighting fiercely now will suddenly have a complete U-turn and accept the rule of Putin? This is my opinion.

If they do not surrender and accept Putin do you think the urban warfare that is likely ahead of the Russian troops will go well for them - especially as the likelihood is that this will be supported by the west. Such a scenario would be a nightmare for Russia and not the clear path to victory that Putin wants. It would be a disaster (for all).

Military operations planning and methodology is not my area of study but there is enough information available to understand who is carrying a grievance or towing the line, as would be apparent in any pub type conversation..

 

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Ukraine zoo workers try to keep animals safe, calm, fed amid war

KYIV, Ukraine - Horace the Asian elephant is so terrified of explosions that he's been put on sedatives. The zebras are being kept inside after they

www.theday.com

 

[Groucho]

Anyone know any pro Russia propaganda news outlets?

Everything is blocked on you tube and play store.

And to add insult to injury I'm being peppered with propaganda channels like BBC channel 4, sky etc.

What a free democracy i live in. North Korea are getting a run for thier Won currency.

If anyone knows how to get the propaganda from otherside let me know.

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You were let back from a permaban so I’d recommend towing the line.

That will be all, end of.

 

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Ukraine has slammed as “completely immoral” Russia’s stance on humanitarian corridors after Moscow suggested it would allow people to flee Ukrainian cities provided they exited to Belarus or Russia... “This is a completely immoral story. People’s suffering is used to create the desired television picture,” the spokesman said in a written message. “These are citizens of Ukraine, they should have the right to evacuate to the territory of Ukraine.”

Latest Ukraine updates: UN urges safe passage for civilians

Russia-Ukraine news from March 7: Kyiv says Russian shelling is preventing evacuation of civilians and delivery of aid.

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