Current Affairs Ukraine
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efcfanwirral
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This is what i think about it - it's putting western values on an actual dictatorship, with the assumption that they deserve it until they overthrow their dictator.
Same as bullying mcdonalds and Starbucks to pull out - they're franchises so it's just virtue signalling to damage russian citizens. Everyone must fall in line it seems.
Surely this is spilling over into targeting every day Russians in the west?
Speaking of oil and dirty antics / politics...
US officials fly to Venezuela for talks in apparent bid to further isolate Russia
Experts believe rare meeting with Moscow ally could signal significant shift in US policy towards Caracas
Pretty sure there was some debate in this thread around the viability and ethics of lifting sanctions on Venezuela for their oil.
Looks like ethics are indeed elastic.
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jerseytoffee
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Captured Russian soldier admitting to brainwashing and apologising for invading!
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I'll take down dat coal powered MG, I tel u Hwat
Its all for the civilians of the world and peace. Its what the usa are all about. Their hearts bleed for the citizens of Russia, Venezuela, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine... nothing else matters to the United States government. Freedom, Democracy and no harm to civilians.Speaking of oil and dirty antics / politics...
US officials fly to Venezuela for talks in apparent bid to further isolate Russia
Experts believe rare meeting with Moscow ally could signal significant shift in US policy towards Caracaswww.theguardian.com
Pretty sure there was some debate in this thread around the viability and ethics of lifting sanctions on Venezuela for their oil.
Looks like ethics are indeed elastic.
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Many stories about past presidents up all night crying over the pain in the world.
Some of these actions may well be to try to get Russians, either ordinary Russians or the elite, to overthrow Putin or at least make him more willing to negotiate.
However even if that doesn’t happen the withdrawal of these services hurts the Russian economy which makes it harder for Putin to fund the Ukrainian war and re-arm for further aggression.
Very hard to find actions that will simultaneously produce political pressure for a change in overall approach and economical pain that limit current aggression without also hurting ordinary Russians - either those in or out of the country.
Captured Russian soldier admitting to brainwashing and apologising for invading!
Ukraine’s use of POW videos make me very uneasy tbh
I get the pr value but there have been longstanding objections to their use for good reasons.
bluenotred
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Can't let you get away with this BS. Trump didn't believe in NATO and John Bolton said recently said that Trump wanted to pull the U.S. out. He has been until the last couple of days cheering Putin on and calling him a genius. He would not have been able to unite NATO like Biden has because nobody in NATO trusted him. He has been an apologist for Putin for years. Compromised maybe?It was in the media that Trump was quoted saying he got on with Putin and Xi but told them that if they stepped out of line hed not back down. If they threaten nuclear, so would he.
Also he said that even if they believed him 5% or 10% then it was enough to put doubts in their minds.
Contrast that with Biden refusing to speak with Putin, calling Ukraine 'Iran' and effectively saying nothing would happen if it wasnt a full scale attack.
Nothing happened under Trump. Biden doesnt even know what country hes talking about.
You think Russia wont bear "the ill effect of sanctions"
Frenk
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For months intel was showing the Russians building up along the border. Maybe they should have increased the military equipment been sent into the Ukraine back then. Can’t help but see that as a failure.
Unless a NATO country comes under direct attack or there's casus belli, say a number of NATO jets were shot down, I can't see NATO fighting directly.
Perhaps if there was some form of mass atrocities too. But, the real case is that it appears as if they will not have to as long as the direction continues.
If the news of NATO countries providing jets is too, I suspect that we, the US and other countries will agree to cover their airspace for the foreseeable future.
They'll provide their jets for Ukraine to use, we'll cover them and then over a period of time they'll be provided F-16s or something similar.
I suspect the same will happen with PGMs, which the Ukrainians will use to hit the Russian convoys, logistics depots/camps and command and control.
We'll then offer them weapons to restock their arsenals. Russia is showing itself to be (at best) a second tier army with the moral and desire of a third tier.
As long as we keep the Ukrainians stocked up to fight, I can't see Russia coming out of this well militarily or politically; they'll be back in the doldrums.
I took it with a pinch of salt, but before I was told that Russian casualties (not deaths) are reaching nearly ten thousand, with deaths in the low thousands.
The same person said there's reports of growing 'disharmony' at military camps back in Russia. If the army turn on Putin, it could all unravel rather quickly.
Rightly or wrongly, I suspect that countries, including ourselves, didn't expect Ukraine to stand up to Russia so well, therefore this is more out of necessity.
To not support them when they're actually giving the Russians a bloody good fight would be like burning votes.
Frenk
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No Trump fan, but what were the reasons he gave for wanting out? Money right? Regarding the amounts the other members were putting in. I believe that there was/is an argument to be had there. Him wanting out though, was pathetic.
Going to bed mate but wanted to drop a thanks for your reply. Interesting to read your views.
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