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[Lobster Johnson]

Russia Overcomes Sanctions to Expand Missile Production, Officials Say

Moscow’s missile production now exceeds prewar levels, officials say, leaving Ukraine especially vulnerable this coming winter.

www.nytimes.com

Ah so they’re saving them up to freeze civilians out of their homes. Heroes

 

[The T-Dex]

you have read that wrong. I am saying that I disagree that China having land disputes with India means they can have land disputes with Russia that involve border clashes.

Ah okay, thanks.

 

[The T-Dex]

Is this not you Dave, saying you voted for Blair like a big dirty war loving Blairite.

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You can wriggle all you want but you've shown your knickers this time. A clear support for Imperial Russia but attempting to hide it behind a few soundbites and guff. I had you tagged as a wind up but now I see it is much much worse. You are the "Goebbels of GOT".

Somewhere in the forum @chicoazul is crying at not getting this accolade.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Ukraine to receive additional Patriot air defence systems from Germany -Zelenskiy

Germany and Ukraine have agreed on the supply of additional Patriot air defence missile systems to Kyiv, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said in his evening address on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Somewhere in the forum @chicoazul is crying at not getting this accolade.

What do you reckon @Kev The Rat ?

 

[COYBL25]

Is this not you Dave, saying you voted for Blair like a big dirty war loving Blairite.

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You can wriggle all you want but you've shown your knickers this time. A clear support for Imperial Russia but attempting to hide it behind a few soundbites and guff. I had you tagged as a wind up but now I see it is much much worse. You are the "Goebbels of GOT".

 

[Yarrgh]

Not at all. But a zebra doesn’t change its stripes. Russian purpose is to cause insurrection and topple Western society. Which is on show presently in Ukraine and then eventually Eastern Europe if they aren’t exhausted first. They only understand one thing power.

You're the one who said NATO was designed to put Russia in a box. And in this response describe what NATO has done in Eastern Europe from Russia's perspective.

Which probably suggests that both sides were due to clash eventually.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[WA Toffee]

I did know they were involved with India, but I do not believe China would exersise the same level of strategic care around India as they would Russia that is my point.

Its not ONLY about nukes

Although I don't think Russia is immediate danger from them as they are more focussed on the South China Sea at the moment, the long game has already started.

Putin needs to really consider who he is siding with, and what they really want in return. The results may surprise him.

 

[Yarrgh]

That kind of thinking is just going to give countries with nukes free reign to do what they want.. China will be looking at the support that Ukraine is getting and having to question if an invasion of Tiawan is a good idea. Possession of Nukes shouldn't become a free pass to take over other lands without reputations.

China will certainly be doing that.

Let's not forget, the US and NATO countries don't officially even recognise Taiwan as a country and there is limited capacity to support there compared to Ukraine which is connected to several NATO countries with land borders. The likes of Macron have already troed to back away from any potential conflict. It's not a South Korea with any formal alliance to protect it.

My worries here is that China actually fancies it chances and goes for it after seeing the inability of Ukraine to be able to force Russia out even with full backing of NATO.

I don't think China would use nuclear weapons on Taiwan. Or even threaten to.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

You're the one who said NATO was designed to put Russia in a box. And in this response describe what NATO has done in Eastern Europe from Russia's perspective.

Which probably suggests that both sides were due to clash eventually.

No doubt about it. NATO & Russia constantly clash with probing air assets. Denying this existence is foolish. Putin is always trying to find a weak link. Sad fact is he will be responsible for the two to continue hostilities way past his expiration date.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

China will certainly be doing that.

Let's not forget, the US and NATO countries don't officially even recognise Taiwan as a country and there is limited capacity to support there compared to Ukraine which is connected to several NATO countries with land borders. The likes of Macron have already troed to back away from any potential conflict. It's not a South Korea with any formal alliance to protect it.

My worries here is that China actually fancies it chances and goes for it after seeing the inability of Ukraine to be able to force Russia out even with full backing of NATO.

I don't think China would use nuclear weapons on Taiwan. Or even threaten to.

I think China has pause at the moment as they have economic internal issues not revealed to their masses. Low birth rate is just the tip of the iceberg. Good news is China needs the West for their commerce so a move on Taiwan remains possible but not realistic. I think they have assessed Russia hasn't fared well up to this point with Ukraine and are needing munitions from highly questionable sources.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Although I don't think Russia is immediate danger from them as they are more focussed on the South China Sea at the moment, the long game has already started.

Putin needs to really consider who he is siding with, and what they really want in return. The results may surprise him.

China will love to have Russia in their back pocket.

 

[peteblue]

I dont think the ambition or logic of Russia is that relevant here.

It's a question of whether you can force a nuclear power into retreat, or if that is even desirable.

Afghanistan managed it….

 

[Kev The Rat]

Afghanistan managed it….

we've been through this. theres no comparison between the two.