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[Kev The Rat]

Then why spend a decade and 20,000 lives invading it? Why build 1500km of infrastructure to supply your invasion that you're NEA about?

This isn't a football team, you don't have to support them whatever they do.

Recall historically Ukraine was actually in Russia - your chatter about 'football teams' misses the point completely about what it means to the Russian people.

There is no equivalence between it and Afghanistan.

 

[tsubaki]

Recall historically Ukraine was actually in Russia - your chatter about 'football teams' misses the point completely about what it means to the Russian people.

There is no equivalence between it and Afghanistan.

Actually Russia was in Ukraine if you go far enough back.

 

[The T-Dex]

well I disagree on all points so let’s just leave it at that then

You disagree that they're having land disputes? Or have I read that wrong?

 

[Kev The Rat]

Actually Russia was in Ukraine if you go far enough back.

that probably strengthens the point actually.

 

[Kev The Rat]

You disagree that they're having land disputes? Or have I read that wrong?

you have read that wrong. I am saying that I disagree that China having land disputes with India means they can have land disputes with Russia that involve border clashes.

 

[tsubaki]

that probably strengthens the point actually.

Glad you agree Moscow should be subordinated to Kiev again.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Glad you agree Moscow should be subordinated to Kiev again.

no mate, that is not my point and you know it

The Ukrainians and Russians, to most Russians, are one and the same.

 

[tsubaki]

no mate, that is not my point and you know it

The Ukrainians and Russians, to most Russians, are one and the same.

It was your point, if you are saying past history justifies current practices. Kiev is older than Moscow and played much more of a role in the formation of the Russian people, therefore Kiev should be in charge if that’s what you believe.

Finally sorry for repeating myself but the actions of the Russian government is why so many more people define themselves as Ukrainians nowadays.

 

[WA Toffee]

you have read that wrong. I am saying that I disagree that China having land disputes with India means they can have land disputes with Russia that involve border clashes.

Yes, because as you have repeatedly claimed - Russia has nuclear weapons. But India also has nuclear weapons, so that is obviously no deterrent to the Chinese.

Take a bit time to think about it, I'm sure you can make up some other reason China won't annexe the bits of Russia it wants.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Recall historically Ukraine was actually in Russia - your chatter about 'football teams' misses the point completely about what it means to the Russian people.

There is no equivalence between it and Afghanistan.

This was your original argumnent...

It's a question of whether you can force a nuclear power into retreat, or if that is even desirable.

Then you were presented with evidence to the contrary so you shifted the goalposts.

no mate, that is not my point and you know it

The Ukrainians and Russians, to most Russians, are one and the same.

As to this, why not ask some Ukranians as well, they may also have something to say about it. You could use Skype (discontinued 2021) and see if you can decipher their primitive grunts.

 

[tantavisiteler]

Romanians at it again. Demanding lands from southwestern Ukraine

(from last night's match in Bucuresti)

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Romanians at it again. Demanding lands from southwestern Ukraine

(from last night's match in Bucuresti)

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Eastern European football ultras in Right Wing Nuts shocker.

 

[davek]

von der Leyen's words on Ukraine joining the EU look like kicking the can down the road nonsense to me.

Ukraine has made great strides to join the EU since being granted candidate status in 2022. We will need to think about how our institutions would work – how the (EU) parliament and the commission would look. We need to discuss the future of our budget – in terms of what it finances, how it finances it, and how it is financed.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Yes, because as you have repeatedly claimed - Russia has nuclear weapons. But India also has nuclear weapons, so that is obviously no deterrent to the Chinese.

Take a bit time to think about it, I'm sure you can make up some other reason China won't annexe the bits of Russia it wants.

Your attempts to equate India as being as politically important as Russia are to China in their battle with the US simply dont add up for me.

The only time I can see China walking away from or turning on Russia is if the US is crushed and broken.

 

[Kev The Rat]

It was your point, if you are saying past history justifies current practices. Kiev is older than Moscow and played much more of a role in the formation of the Russian people, therefore Kiev should be in charge if that’s what you believe.

Finally sorry for repeating myself but the actions of the Russian government is why so many more people define themselves as Ukrainians nowadays.

Erm no, I am explaining why Russia which in its present day situation as a much larger state than Ukraine will never walk away from it. It has historical ties that it views as blood.

Obviously Russians will never want to be subjugated into Ukraine. It may seem unfair to you, but that is the way it is.

I am explaining to you the Russian peoples point of view on all this, not what you may perceive to be right or wrong.