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[davek]

Or you could look at it another way.

1. Continued drone strikes on Moscow force Ru to redeploy valuable air defence assets away from Ukraine/Crimea

2. Continued SOF missions further degrade air defence /EW systems around Crimea

3. This effectively opens the way for more cruise missile strikes against key Russian targets (Ships, subs, C2). The stuff that’s really gonna hurt them

funny that just over 17 months ago the Ukranians were making petrol bombs in Kyiv, now they’re planning and executing complex combined arms ops that are shaping the battlefield.

That's an escalation the Ukrainians cant win. Crimea gets hit then so does Odessa and that region is seeing no exportation of any goods whatsover and the pressure mounts globally for this thing to end as regions in the southern hemisphere are brought to its knees.

We need de-escalation and peace talks.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

If escalation is the name of the game, these people are doing a very good job of it.

Aye, it looks like Putin is desperate to Russia vaporised.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

That's an escalation the Ukrainians cant win. Crimea gets hit then so does Odessa and that region is seeing no exportation of any goods whatsover and the pressure mounts globally for this thing to end as regions in the southern hemisphere are brought to its knees.

We need de-escalation and peace talks.

It’s because Odessa is getting hit that they’re doing this. They’re forcing Russia to redeploy naval assets away from Crimea and closer to Russia. This reduces the attacks and also opens up the trade corridor.

 

[Kev The Rat]

I’m just providing a scenario based on what I see happening.

1. The Russians control the Black Sea and use their fleet to regularly launch missile attacks on Ukrainian cities and infrastructure

2. The play from the Ukes is to hit and damage their fleet in order to do that they first have to degrade the AD/EW systems protecting them. This they do by attacking Moscow (forcing systems to redeploy and launching SOF raids.

3. Then they can launch their own cruise missile/drone attacks on the Black Sea fleet forcing Ru to redeploy it away from Crimea and stop the attacks on cities like Odessa.

It’s a tactic called shaping the battlefield. The Ukes have been well trained and are showing they’re very capable of executing it.

The Ukranian battle scape is huge and complex with many layers - it’s not just about headlong assaults into enemy positions - it’s fought on many different levels

You call that shaping the battlefied, I call it lunacy

That's an escalation the Ukrainians cant win. Crimea gets hit then so does Odessa and that region is seeing no exportation of any goods whatsover and the pressure mounts globally for this thing to end as regions in the southern hemisphere are brought to its knees.

We need de-escalation and peace talks.

Exactly, but the warmongers in NATO arent in the mood for it

 

[Kev The Rat]

It’s because Odessa is getting hit that they’re doing this. They’re forcing Russia to redeploy naval assets away from Crimea and closer to Russia. This reduces the attacks and also opens up the trade corridor.

You think Russia has no other means of hitting Odessa? Think again.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

You call that shaping the battlefied, I call it lunacy

It’s working though

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

When the Kremlin is starting to turn on itself over a propsed now round of mobilisaion and the people are hearing that Vlad is sending them on meat assaults you can feel the fractures growing.

In order to maintain the intensity of hostilities, the occupiers sent about 200 ex-prisoners from the city of Mariupol to the Ilchenkovo district in the temporarily occupied territory of the Zaporizhzhia region in order to create assault squads to capture Robotyny. Similar measures for the transfer of up to 120 former prisoners were carried out from Luhansk to Melitopol. Former prisoners here are used by the occupiers for the so-called "meat assaults"

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[Kev The Rat]

It’s working though

no it is not working. no tangible goals are being achieved.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

You think Russia has no other means of hitting Odessa? Think again.

I’m sure they do, but Air-launched cruise missiles have a longer flight time and have to cross deep layers of AD systems and are therefore more likely to be intercepted than a missile launched from a ship 3miles off the coast of Odessa.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Current situation around Robotyne. The Ru 1430 regiment was effectively wiped out yesterday in a full scale tank engagement

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Once Ukraine cut the land bridge you can see why they have just had 1000+ troops trained for amphibious operations i.e. that they will destroy the kerch bridge as well as attacking from the south, behind the defense lines.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Accurate summary of events from a telegram channel:

What happened at the front was what President Zelensky’s Office feared most—the parties to the conflict got bogged down in a positional war, and Ukraine consistently suffered disproportionately more damage.


Every day, warehouses, rear facilities, troop locations, and infrastructure are destroyed. The Westerners are making up for the loss of supplies and equipment with increasing reluctance. And as we know, no adjustment in military strategy will be able to reverse the course of the armed conflict unless the volume of military assistance to Ukraine increases significantly.

But, according to the results of one recent study, the idea of additional funding (including the provision of military assistance) to Ukraine is already supported by less than 50% of Americans. This partly reflects the weak progress of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in their counter-offensive, which brings very limited results. And this is a dangerous call for the Ukrainian authorities, since the United States provided Ukraine with the lion’s share of military support.

In fact, Ukraine’s counter-offensive was the only chance to receive further help - the Westerners invested quite “seriously” in securing Kyiv, but repeating such an investment is hardly possible.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Accurate summary of events from a telegram channel:

What happened at the front was what President Zelensky’s Office wanted most—the Russian forces got bogged down in a positional war, and Ukraine consistently inflicting more damage.


Every day, warehouses, Russian rear facilities, troop locations, and infrastructure are destroyed. Iran are not able to make up for the loss of supplies and equipment with increasing reluctance. And as we know, no adjustment in military strategy will be able to reverse the course of the armed conflict unless the volume of military assistance to Russia increases significantly, from North Korea.

But, according to the results of one recent study, the idea of additional funding (including the provision of military assistance) to Ukraine is already supported by more than 70% of Americans. This partly reflects the weak progress of Russia's Special Military Operation which has brough very limited results and is seen as a failure. And this is a dangerous call for the Russian authorities, since the United States provided Ukraine with the lion’s share of military support.

In fact, North Korea was the only chance to receive further help - the Kremlin invested quite “seriously” in securing Kyiv, but repeating such an investment is hardly possible.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

no it is not working. no tangible goals are being achieved.

Okay Kev if you say so

 

[Prevenger17]

We need de-escalation and peace talks.

Considering you have absolutely no regard for the Ukraine's interests or right to exist, I'll skip the part where I ask you what exactly they could reasonably accept after having their cities bombed to bits and citizens murdered en masse in a war they didn't start.

So what do you think would be an agreement that Putin would accept, and would you expect that he would just stick to the terms of any agreement made, like he's so famous for doing so in the past?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Considering you have absolutely no regard for the Ukraine's interests or right to exist, I'll skip the part where I ask you what exactly they could reasonably accept after having their cities bombed to bits and citizens murdered en masse in a war they didn't start.

So what do you think would be an agreement that Putin would accept, and would you expect that he would just stick to the terms of any agreement made, like he's so famous for doing so in the past?

Dave is an imperialist Blairite and needs to be treated as such. His sort have no value for human life. It is quite sickening.