Current Affairs Ukraine

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Interesting map that shows the Russian gains (or lack of). Russian gains shown in pink.

For all their supposed strength they haven’t achieved much. What a bunch of scruffs.

 

[Zatara]

.....and by saying Putin’s tactics were spot on ( your interpretation) he implicitly backed the invasion of a democracy by a totalitarian dictatorship.
Trump made no comment, said nothing about operational tactics, he was speaking explicitly about the justification of the invasion by Putin which he called genius.
Weren’t you complaining about having your words twisted a few posts go last time you were skewered?
So, I ask you again, do you agree with Trumps assertion that Putin’s justification is genius? or even reasonable? No weaselling, just a simple yes or no.

"Skewered" of course its operational tactics ffs and how Putin has 'justified' it as initially a 'peacekeeping' mission.

Im not sure whats so hard to comprehend.

Trump and Johnson were funded by Russian Dark money, as was Brexit. Aaron Banks, Steve Bannon, Cambridge Analytica and Vote leave campaign. Both Banks and Bannon have strong links to Russia. Both campaigns aimed to get Trump/Johnson in and get us out of the EU. You have to ask why would Russia want those? Because it benefits them and weakens us/America/Nato and the EU, as well as democracy.

Banks is suing Guardian journalist Carole Cadwalladr for exposing the Russian dark money links.

As @Viennablue stated, if Trump was in Putins pocket as so many are bizarrely claiming then this would all have happened under Trump.

Its happened under the non-president for obvious reasons.

There are no possible circumstances under which a sane, non-evil human being could vote or support Donald Trump. None.

So youre saying that after 2 shambolic cowardly disgusting military events you believe that Biden would win an election today over Trump?

I find that unlikely and with (as alot of people in the financial markets predict) a stock market crash on the wsy...

...Biden will have failed where Trump had no conflict with China/Russia and grew the economy.

Id not want either of them but Biden really is a totally incompetent coward.

"We stand with Ukraine"

Dearie me.

He took his chance. Biden cocked up the withdrawal from Afghanistan so much, it showed weakness. The EU and much of the world is so reliant on Russia's natural resources. Nobody wants a global conflict and to take on Russia means all of NATO's forces would have to be united in it.

The sanctions should have immediately been much harder.

Biden has almost told Putin to go for it.

What sanctions could be levied that will hurt Putin and not the populace?

I look at the sanctions and think they are more illogical than anything, and some of the suggestions being made are bordering on illegal.

You HAVE to hit the Russian population and corporations with the sanctions. This is the only way the public opinion will turn against Putin.

Theres a number of harder hitting sanctions, not least SWIFT and also cutting off all trade...as Germany, Italy and Hungary refused to do.

Not to mention revocation of Russian visas along with asset freezing of the Federation and Duma members.

To immediately cut off all trade and movement outside of Russia annex's them and puts enormous pressure from all sides on Putin.

As for 'illegal' means I would see how certain funds could be repatriated from certain Russian accounts into Ukraine to assist with the rebuild of the country.

It's really not baffling to you, it's a deliberate obfuscation on your part or severe myopia.

I would vote for nearly any sentient being with something near a moral compass over Donald J. Trump. Possibly even Ted Cruz.

(Now I must shower with bleach. And not to kill COVID.)

You would vote for a President with a moral compass -- the irony.

This

@Zatara is having an absolute shocker here

The facts are on my side.

 

[catcherintherye]

Obviously they don’t, but no one is going to get anywhere with this bloke by playing strictly by all the rules!

Yes fair point.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

We need to ship @Zatara out to Ukraine so he can multi-quote Putin into submission

 

[PhilM]

A cautious assesment by both governments.
The same US official also said Russia is still only at 1/3th of its deployment.

It's more about confirmed intelligence agencies suggesting that Russians were behind schedule, did not take any key day 1 targets and no population centres.

They have not gained superiority of the air either. Is it unrealistic to suggest that they may be talking about Kyiv here when you consider the direction of forces?

 

[Zatara]

I hope that there are alot of protests against the Governments unwilling to impose real sanctions.

Full credit to the Georgians.

Interesting map that shows the Russian gains (or lack of). Russian gains shown in pink.

For all their supposed strength they haven’t achieved much. What a bunch of scruffs.

The key is the capital...and having those territories near the water so they can ship troops in...along with pushing the Russian border into Ukraine further and further as it seems theyre doing.

If Kiev can hold out until Monday then the Ukrainians have a chance.

Obviously they don’t, but no one is going to get anywhere with this bloke by playing strictly by all the rules!

Precisely. You need a horrible unpredictable leader to go up against Putin.

Talking wont phase him, have to be evil to beat evil.

 

[catcherintherye]

Why should Ukraine not be allowed to join NATO or EU, though?

What power does Russia have over that? Why should they have that right?

They dont have that right.

But in situations like this, compromises have to be found.

 

[Zatara]

We need to ship @Zatara out to Ukraine so he can multi-quote Putin into submission

Id like to give those idiots who arent agreeing extreme sanctions a piece of my mind.

It really is angering me how theyre not supporting Ukraine...all words no action.

 

[catcherintherye]

"Skewered" of course its operational tactics ffs and how Putin has 'justified' it as initially a 'peacekeeping' mission.

Im not sure whats so hard to comprehend.



As @Viennablue stated, if Trump was in Putins pocket as so many are bizarrely claiming then this would all have happened under Trump.

Its happened under the non-president for obvious reasons.



So youre saying that after 2 shambolic cowardly disgusting military events you believe that Biden would win an election today over Trump?

I find that unlikely and with (as alot of people in the financial markets predict) a stock market crash on the wsy...

...Biden will have failed where Trump had no conflict with China/Russia and grew the economy.

Id not want either of them but Biden really is a totally incompetent coward.

"We stand with Ukraine"

Dearie me.


The sanctions should have immediately been much harder.

Biden has almost told Putin to go for it.


You HAVE to hit the Russian population and corporations with the sanctions. This is the only way the public opinion will turn against Putin.

Theres a number of harder hitting sanctions, not least SWIFT and also cutting off all trade...as Germany, Italy and Hungary refused to do.

Not to mention revocation of Russian visas along with asset freezing of the Federation and Duma members.

To immediately cut off all trade and movement outside of Russia annex's them and puts enormous pressure from all sides on Putin.

As for 'illegal' means I would see how certain funds could be repatriated from certain Russian accounts into Ukraine to assist with the rebuild of the country.


You would vote for a President with a moral compass -- the irony.

The facts are on my side.

I'm not sure sanctions that overwhelmingly damage the poorest are going to hurt Putins popularity though. It will probably strengthen him, and cement the perception he has created that he is the wronged party and there a conspiracy from the west to attack Russia.

I think stealing funds from people, on the basis of where they are born is both immoral and illegal mate, and honestly I cant say I have any support for that.

Should British people have assets stolen for wars we have partaken in? It seems a very slippery slope that one.

 

[BlueTX]

You would vote for a President with a moral compass -- the irony.

The facts are on my side.

Bless your heart, Zat. I do believe you believe your fatuous nonsense.

The irony indeed.

 

[Tin-Tin]

@Zatara

This didnt happen under Trump as Trump was doing Putins job for him. Destabilising America, threatening NATO withdrawl and lets not forget he withheld vital arms from Ukraine in exchange for dirt.

Why would Putin openly go on the attack, when he had leaders of powerful countries weakening their countries and democracy for him

 

[Mrk]

Interesting map that shows the Russian gains (or lack of). Russian gains shown in pink.

For all their supposed strength they haven’t achieved much. What a bunch of scruffs.

Staggering incompetence considering the circumstances. Russia have made a huge mistake basing their battle plan on our very own armchair Kev’s detailed analysis.

 

[Zatara]

I'm not sure sanctions that overwhelmingly damage the poorest are going to hurt Putins popularity though. It will probably strengthen him, and cement the perception he has created that he is the wronged party and there a conspiracy from the west to attack Russia.

I think stealing funds from people, on the basis of where they are born is both immoral and illegal mate, and honestly I cant say I have any support for that.

Should British people have assets stolen for wars we have partaken in? It seems a very slippery slope that one.

Youre not hitting the 'poor' youre hitting the entire country and its simply a case of "we do not want to trade with you due to the attack on Ukraine".

I dont think its stealing when its freezing asssts of federation/Duma members...then what i was alluding to was seeing if any have been illegally gained (alot will be i imagine) and if so use them to repatriate funds to Ukraine.

The assets will of course be in hidden offshore accounts...were not talking about the everyday man/woman.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

What perverse Country allows this station to be broadcasting for heavens sake we are a joke...

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[LinekersLegs]