Current Affairs Ukraine

[NathDogg]

 

[PhilM]

Surely being on the edge of the capital within 24 hours would be viewed as reasonable progress? I can't see how this is going well for Ukraine when Russia have only sent in a proportion of their soldiers and already are in multiple cities.

Yes and no. They are on the edge of the capital, but are we talking about large numbers or the advance reconnaissance units? There's a huge difference there.

In '41, the Germans got to Khimki and could see the towers of the Kremlin in the distance, but this was a small number of troops rather than sizeable numbers.

From the Belarus border to Kyiv is around 50 miles. Most of the well-equipped and veteran units were in the east, so troops have had to move around.

It can't be confirmed, but OSNIT have mentioned that the units from the force have faced an unbalanced mixture of regulars and reservist, who have held their own.

So far, they are not succeeding to take any city, which they apparently they planned to do within 24hours. They attempted to seize a local airport close to Kyiv.

That's still not happened - in fact, they've been given a bloody nose. With more units now defending the city and defensive lines in place, it's a stronger view.

It's not brilliant for the Ukrainian's, but from what's been said it's far from over.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Not stopping here

 

[catcherintherye]

Anyone championing or agreeing with Trump here needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

Trump (as Johnson is) was a Putin stooge who was doing exactly what Putin wanted, to dismantle Nato and EU. Trump and Johnson were backed by Russian Dark money to do Putins job for him.

Im not a massive Biden fan but any military act by Americal results in one thing, WW3.

Thats it really.

This is high stakes poker. You dont play that game by making rash moves.

They have announced a very hefty level of sanctions. Theres not a lot else that can be done.

 

[tsubaki]

Not stopping here

Again, what on earth did he expect them to do?

 

[bcblue1878]

I always admire those people to be honest

That job has to be utterly harrowing most of the time

Not only for the risks to your own health but having to see all that suffering up close

I'm man enough to admit that I couldn't do it. I wouldn't have the minerals

You always know its bad news when Alex Crawford appears on the screen, she rocks up in some of the worst places imagineable - and yet she has a young family at home!

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

From Arestovych

- According to our intelligence data, the enemy has, in less than two days, more than a thousand killed.
The Russian Federation did not bear such losses in any armed conflict.
In the Chernihiv region, our troops made a tank battalion, stopping the movement of one of the columns - more than twenty tanks were destroyed.
Russian troops are accumulating in northwest Kiev, from the border with Belarus.
According to some data, the leadership of Belarus, to say the least, is not delighted with the fact that their republic was dragged into this adventure without demand.
Therefore, the reports about Belarusian flags on some combat vehicles from the north are a pure basis by the Russians of Belarusians.
As you and I guessed - the second days turned out to be the hardest: both morally and material.
The principle detail that needs to be understood is that today the Russian military leadership has released all the forces that they have accumulated on the Ukrainian direction.
They no longer have a reserve.
But there is still the same bet on achieving victory through psychological means, which causes accelerated movement of columns and helicopter throws to life, which aim to create the effect of a quick and inevitable approach.
The effect on them, however, is more and more often very expensive.
There is a difficult interference in the area of Bucha-Vorzel-Irpen-Gostomel.
Despite the numerous reports that there are already solid Russians, our troops are fighting back there very badly.
That is why the Russians work with artillery back and got into an orphanage, the number of victims is being specified.
In that area, at least one enemy helicopter crashed and at least ten units of its ground equipment were destroyed.
Contrary to Russian fairy tales, the Ukrainian and Kiev Air Force survived, working, and shot down their Su-27 and at least two caliber missiles over Kiev in the morning.
According to American data, the Russian Federation used 160 missiles of this type against us, which means that soon the strikes will become more modest - there is simply no necessary amount of missiles in stock.
The perimeter lines are roughly the same as in the morning, despite the introduction of the case against all its terrestrial reserves:
- the biggest tension from the north near Kiev,
- cutting a narrow border line (up to 40-60 km) Sumy, Poltava,
- north of Kharkov they were once again hatched,
- in spite of their statements, they have not yet been able to enter Melitopol,
- in the Kherson direction - our troops are still holding the right bank in the city area, giving fire defeat to enemy troops.
The Russians have remained from the reserves: marine paratroopers operation and a strike by heavy strategic bombers (it looks like it will be the usual "Calibrami" shelling).
Not very impressed with what has already been done, but the first statements of the Kremlin about possible new Minsk negotiations appeared.
Negotiations always mean that the opponent has started, if he does not breath, then he will think about it.
And I understand him somewhere. Storms and pressure are not coming out (especially because of blown up bridges).
And the biggest losses, since 1945, are coming out.
However, long ago according to their plans, the disassembled and disassembled of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been fighting, regardless of the coverage, detours and the threat of the environment.
The OOS zone stands like a stone, so much that they are afraid to seriously attack it.
There are new captured and captured Technique.
In general, we would like to last the night and last the day.
And then the Kremlin's talks about negotiations and strengthening the positions achieved, may acquire more and more distinctive begging notes. )
The President is in place, the whole Office is working regularly. 

The President, by the way, shows wonders of determination.
Even the professional military didn't expect such a fight attitude from him. )
According to preliminary data, the EU has agreed a package of general sanctions against the Russian Federation.
Information should be released soon.
With a word, we go to war. )
The new captives. Took the 93rd squad.
Data, according to the official assessment of our Ministry of Internal Affairs, the loss of Russian troops.
As of 3:00 pm:
- tanks - up to 80;
- various types of armored vehicles - 516;
- planes - 10;
- Helicopters - 7;
- personal composition - 2800 killed and wounded.

 

[bcblue1878]

Soon be over.

Shes had nearly as much "work" done as Putin!

 

[devogue]

Not stopping here

Finland especially should be in NATO, I think they would be a useful member as well.

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

Yes and no. They are on the edge of the capital, but are we talking about large numbers or the advance reconnaissance units? There's a huge difference there.

In '41, the Germans got to Khimki and could see the towers of the Kremlin in the distance, but this was a small number of troops rather than sizeable numbers.

From the Belarus border to Kyiv is around 50 miles. Most of the well-equipped and veteran units were in the east, so troops have had to move around.

It can't be confirmed, but OSNIT have mentioned that the units from the force have faced an unbalanced mixture of regulars and reservist, who have held their own.

So far, they are not succeeding to take any city, which they apparently they planned to do within 24hours. They attempted to seize a local airport close to Kyiv.

That's still not happened - in fact, they've been given a bloody nose. With more units now defending the city and defensive lines in place, it's a stronger view.

It's not brilliant for the Ukrainian's, but from what's been said it's far from over.

Source of all this?
Al lot of nonsense is being posted on social media. About that Holomostel airfield being recaptured for example, turned out to be wrong or at least contradicted by Russian sources. Same about destroyed tanks and other social media visuals.

Strange how you seem to know they wanted to take a city within 24 hours when high sources confirm they never expected this kind of assault. What is your source?

 

[Viennablue]

Anyone championing or agreeing with Trump here needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

Trump (as Johnson is) was a Putin stooge who was doing exactly what Putin wanted, to dismantle Nato and EU. Trump and Johnson were backed by Russian Dark money to do Putins job for him.

Im not a massive Biden fan but any military act by Americal results in one thing, WW3.

Genuine question:

Crimea was taken under Obama.

The rest of Ukraine is being taken under Biden.

If Trump was a Putin stooge who he funded into power why not invade when your stooge is in place? Surely that would be the best plan. Guarantee no reprisals.

You’re correct that Trump was no fan of the way NATO was being funded. He certainly wanted the other rich nations to pay their fair share. But NATO still exists.

I’m not sure anything was done about the funding. One of Trump’s major problems (or plus points depending on how you look at it) was that he rarely had a plan for anything and nothing got done. Just hot air.

BTW: I think the sanctions are weak. As was the speeches weeks before guaranteeing no military action would be taken.

Appreciate it’s a very difficult situation, but to me Biden basically said “take it and very little will happen”.

At the end of the day I believe the west wants oligarch money and fuel more than they want to do anything about Ukraine.

For me though, you can’t blame this on Trump. Biden is the president and he’s responsible for both good and bad things that happen under his leadership.

 

[Zatara]

No, it was written you would have voted for Trump and there was an expression of surprise. You then brought up hindsight. No twisting of words by anyone other than you in trying to backtrack.

It's also been a mind-boggling revision or a shocking ignorance regarding the facts of Trump's actions toward Russia, Ukraine and China. Cultish, really.

That said, plenty of folks who voted for Biden have expressed at least some level of disappointment.

If there was (and there indeed was) a choice between having Biden or Trump you're actually saying with hindsight you would vote Biden?

I mean the whole world isnt afraid of facing up to the US with Biden in charge.

Surely that tells you something?!

I find it mind blowing that after all Trumps faults people would choose a coward who is now 0/2 in Afganistan and now the current mess.

So, in your opinion Trump, describing the aggressor’s reasoning for an unprovoked attack on a democracy is “spot on”.
You agree with what Trump says; that simply declaring a democracy as “independent” is justification for an invasion condemned by the vast majority of the rest of the world.

He didnt say that...at least not the way it was in black/white.

He's stated that Putin's tactics were spot on...and its hard to disagree with that from where Russias troops are standing.

Anyone championing or agreeing with Trump here needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

Trump (as Johnson is) was a Putin stooge who was doing exactly what Putin wanted, to dismantle Nato and EU. Trump and Johnson were backed by Russian Dark money to do Putins job for him.

Im not a massive Biden fan but any military act by Americal results in one thing, WW3.

????

No one has suggested a "military act" as far as I can see.

Thats it really.

This is high stakes poker. You dont play that game by making rash moves.

They have announced a very hefty level of sanctions. Theres not a lot else that can be done.

The sanctions are incredibly week.

 

[Zatara]

Anyone championing or agreeing with Trump here needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

Genuine question:

Crimea was taken under Obama.

The rest of Ukraine is being taken under Biden.

If Trump was a Putin stooge who he funded into power why not invade when your stooge is in place? Surely that would be the best plan. Guarantee no reprisals.

You’re correct that Trump was no fan of the way NATO was being funded. He certainly wanted the other rich nations to pay their fair share. But NATO still exists.

I’m not sure anything was done about the funding. One of Trump’s major problems (or plus points depending on how you look at it) was that he rarely had a plan for anything and nothing got done. Just hot air.

BTW: I think the sanctions are weak. As was the speeches weeks before guaranteeing no military action would be taken.

Appreciate it’s a very difficult situation, but to me Biden basically said “take it and very little will happen”.

At the end of the day I believe the west wants oligarch money and fuel more than they want to do anything about Ukraine.

For me though, you can’t blame this on Trump. Biden is the president and he’s responsible for both good and bad things that happen under his leadership.

100% agree. You have articulated my point a lot better

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bet they wish they had some sanctions they could have defended themselves with

 

[Alan Whittle]

He didnt say that...at least not the way it was in black/white.

He's stated that Putin's tactics were spot on...and its hard to disagree with that from where Russias troops are standing.

.....and by saying Putin’s tactics were spot on ( your interpretation) he implicitly backed the invasion of a democracy by a totalitarian dictatorship.
Trump made no comment, said nothing about operational tactics, he was speaking explicitly about the justification of the invasion by Putin which he called genius.
Weren’t you complaining about having your words twisted a few posts go last time you were skewered?
So, I ask you again, do you agree with Trumps assertion that Putin’s justification is genius? or even reasonable? No weaselling, just a simple yes or no.