Current Affairs Ukraine

[neil999]

I should disclose though on posting the above without comment, that I'd have switched Facebook (and Twitter) off for the entire UK once COVID took hold.

We should prob close got down too lol

 

[wainy]

 

[BlueToff]

I think Ukraine would be very sensible to negotiate from the position broadly outlined by Macron and Yanis V recently. Let go of any idea of joining Nato/EU. Insist upon no Russian control. Allow the Russian areas to have self determination in exchange for them having self determination. That would be reasonable.

They should then conduct a process of De-nazisification, but I doubt they will.

Why should Ukraine not be allowed to join NATO or EU, though?

What power does Russia have over that? Why should they have that right?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

As @Wat Tyler said, it's probably for another thread. There's a lot of things that the IDF have done and will continue to do that's beyond the pale.

Yep, Ive voiced my opinion on this in other threads. Unsurprisingly, Zat is also pro Israel!

 

[The binman chronicles]

That'll learn 'em

While of course it's not going to be the straw that broke the camels back, the Russian people love their televised concerts, it's a way of life there that we could barely fathom.

It will be annoying to Joe public and give them enough reasons to moan hopefully that message feeds back to Putin and Co.

 

[BlueToff]

Hes just broken international law.

2 wrongs dont make a right though.

by 'broken international law' you mean invaded a country that Russia have been meddling with for generations anyway (but especially in the last eight years), caused the deaths of possibly 1,000s of his own people within a day, and countless Ukrainian lives, put the continent and ergo world on the brink of a war, left a good chunk of Ukraine in ruins and set that nation back generations?

The guy should have been shot in the face 20 years ago

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Why should Ukraine not be allowed to join NATO or EU, though?

What power does Russia have over that? Why should they have that right?

I think they're currently demonstrating that.

 

[Tipp blue]

Why should Ukraine not be allowed to join NATO or EU, though?

What power does Russia have over that? Why should they have that right?

For the same reason Mexico or Canada would be prevented from joining an alliance headed by Russia. One of the major powers doesn't want it.

 

[BlueToff]

While of course it's not going to be the straw that broke the camels back, the Russian people love their televised concerts, it's a way of life there that we could barely fathom.

It will be annoying to Joe public and give them enough reasons to moan hopefully that message feeds back to Putin and Co.

There's been mass protests in St Petersburg and organised protests in Moscow.

Athletes and Russian celebrities have been coming out for a while calling for peace.

The vast majority of that country do not want a war or care for Putin's petty games. But he'll go ahead with them anyway.

 

[BlueToff]

For the same reason Mexico or Canada would be prevented from joining an alliance headed by Russia.

Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania all border Russia and are all in NATO. So that argument doesn't stand up.

Putin has it in for Ukraine and has done all along. He doesn't view it as a country.

 

[wainy]

Why should Ukraine not be allowed to join NATO or EU, though?

What power does Russia have over that? Why should they have that right?

Whilst I agree with you, I think some sort of decree that Ukraine would not join NATO would be a fair compromise. As another poster has said, would the USA allow Mexico to join an alliance headed by Russia?

 

[BlueToff]

I think they're currently demonstrating that.

They're not demonstrating that they have a right, they have no right.

 

[BlueToff]

Whilst I agree with you, I think some sort of decree that Ukraine would not join NATO would be a fair compromise. As another poster has said, would the USA allow Mexico to join an alliance headed by Russia?

I get that, but why should they not be allowed to join the EU as Catcher suggested (aren't they already in it?).

There's three Baltic nations that border Russia that are in NATO. Turkey is in NATO, a lot of the former Yugoslavian states too.

 

[Tipp blue]

There's been mass protests in St Petersburg and organised protests in Moscow.

Athletes and Russian celebrities have been coming out for a while calling for peace.

The vast majority of that country do not want a war or care for Putin's petty games. But he'll go ahead with them anyway.

I've seen a few saying that he's quite ill and possibly wants to see an empire expand before he clocks out.
He's coming across as a man who doesn't care how many he wipes out before he goes.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

They're not demonstrating that they have a right, they have no right.

Well no. But that doesn't seem to count where the rubber meets the road