Current Affairs Ukraine

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PhilM said:
Do you know what the concept of OSNIT is? Mainly that, alongside snippets from ex-colleagues and what you can find elsewhere.

In terms of taking Kyiv, it's the most plausible scenario based on everything out there and common military practice when you consider the circumstances.

Recent reports suggested Holomostel isn't yet operation for Russians as it'll be a staging post for reinforcements. The important part is they used VDV for this.

We call it JFT (Joint Theatre Entry) where the entry units seizes and establish a lodgement to build up forces independent of land manoeuvres.

The key issue here is speed as paratroops are vulnerable to counter-attack (a small force defending new territory), have limited equipment and limited supplies.

So time is of the essence. Such a sudden assault to take the airport alone would likely link to an assault on Kyiv itself, with links to the land forces.

Take Hostomel, deny the Ukranian's access to the air, bring in troops and push for the city within 24-48 hours. Otherwise, the VDV would be at huge risk.

In essence, there's no reason for the assault unless their plan was to take Kyiv quickly. It appears as if their first assault worked and look at the (supposed) outcome.

It's basically military doctrine, which pretty much most squaddies would recognise.
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So no sources at all. You're making it all up based on twitter, other unreliable sources and wishful thinking. A historian should know better.
We should all recognize we don't know anything about what's happening on the ground. Positive or negative. Making up death tolls on that is especially useless...
It's my opinion that US media would've been fed the intel if it was positive and credible. They wouldn't squander a chance to laugh at the Russians. Haven't seen that yet.
 
FrenchDarrenBent said:
So no sources at all. You're making it all up based on twitter, other unreliable sources and wishful thinking. A historian should know better.
We should all recognize we don't know anything about what's happening on the ground. Positive or negative. Making up death tolls on that is especially useless...
It's my opinion that US media would've been fed the intel if it was positive and credible. They wouldn't squander a chance to laugh at the Russians. Haven't seen that yet.
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If you say so. Do you think the US or any other forces want to publicly acknowledge what they know during live operations? Did they prior to the invasion?

Also, what’s your take on the VDV then?
 
Lads this is about resources, resource infrastructure and the security of Russia
its not about oil of the middle east but of the gas of russia

imagine telling the brits that you can sell your most valuable resource/product to the rest of europe but it must go through belgium first.
and belgium is about to come under the direction of the germans
the germans can set prices and do what they want with the supply of the resource once it is in belgium.
the brits really no longer control their own resource.
and the germans are going to militarise belgium to protect the upper hand they have gained.
the strength and power that britain had through their resource will now be taken away.

the strength and power that russia needs if it is going to take care of a large part of the planet and produce stability in its borders with europe, china, us, middle east and turkey.
given the power and strength of us and china, the world and especially europe should not want a weakened russia.

its not just resource in play, if the russia was cut off between the ukraine and khazikstan it would block russian access to black sea, which is about as strategic point as there is.

the moves from NATO to support Ukraine independence and bring the Ukraine into the EU is a very dangerous move for the whole world.
the US 'interference' in this should be plain for all to see. (interference = maintaining its global dominance; hunger for More)

The real play is that the US does not want to see Europe and Russia form closer ties and dependence on each other = loss of US strategic and corporate power.

At a time when regions need to look internally and become self sustainable and look closely at forming relationships with neighboring regions to withstand the dwindling resources and environmental crisis that is coming - well the best thing would be for the US to get out of where it doesn't belong, so the world can get on with dealing with the job at hand.

The question of Ukrainian independence is the wrong way of looking at it.
Fighting for sovereignty and decision making framed round what territory - geopolitics should get real and frame it around our natural landscapes.
ie people's responsibility should not be framed round some idea of a nation state but around a water catchment area for example; to have the area not exploited by foreign corporations and states; but for the regeneration of the area and the resilience built around by the people for the people of the area.

Are we going to destroy ourselves over resources and the power of the few before we even get a chance to withstand and regrow from the environmental catastrophe that will come?

If the Ukrainian's stand down it would be good to think it with the understood message that they do it for something greater at stake, not as pawn in the battle between Russian stability and US hegemony.
 
catcherintherye said:
I think Ukraine would be very sensible to negotiate from the position broadly outlined by Macron and Yanis V recently. Let go of any idea of joining Nato/EU. Insist upon no Russian control. Allow the Russian areas to have self determination in exchange for them having self determination. That would be reasonable.

They should then conduct a process of De-nazisification, but I doubt they will.
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Cos they're not Nazis?
 
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