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[edge]

For what its worth, I think the next few days will be horrific.

Couple of things Putin has said in his ramblings stand out. He talked about bringing justice to bear against people who have stood against Russia but the phrase he used doesnt mean judicial justice.

There is videos and pictures of vehicles that would be used to transport prisoners back to Russia. Their elite battle experience troops have not been sent in, seems to be mostly conscripts for the most part. Lots of reports that they had no idea where they were going - thought they were just on manoeuvres etc.

I think the real invasion happens when they secure a couple of landing strips. It'll be over in a week to ten days of horror before sanctions mean anything.

The actual major battles will be over in days , the Russians dominate the air and have cut communication lines , even if they could move in an orderly manner the Ukraine army would be at the mercy of the Russian planes.
Only hope would be if enough ground to air missiles suddenly appeared in the next day or two, not likely.
If the Ukrainian forces are still fighting this time next week they will have done brilliantly
It's after that when it will get bleak .

 

[ChesterBlue]

Absolutley terrible mate, we are an absolute disgrace and laughing stock.

Mad Vlad knew he could do whatever he wanted after all his sabre rattling and building up of troops at the border and the complete pack of any credible response from the west prior to invasion.

If we are Ukraine's allies they don't need any bloody enemies!

What we did when they invaded Crimea was bad enough, but this… It really does feel shameful, thing is this conflict is on course to escalate regardless so there is no reason for the West to have abandoned Ukraine like we have

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

I agree, but even worse is the loss of innocent civilians.

Gone is gone, mate...doesn't matter if you're wearing a patch or not. My main point was that things are reported like it's only affected a single individual when it rarely does.

 

[Bluerover]

Gone is gone, mate...doesn't matter if you're wearing a patch or not. My main point was that things are reported like it's only affected a single individual when it rarely does.

While those responsible sit safely in their homes miles away.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

While those responsible sit safely in their homes miles away.

"the great deciders" ? No, sorry...that's the people; hence why all govts try to control the narrative within their own borders. If it weren't for that pesky internet, things would be so much easier for them.

Howdy, neighbor. ?

 

[Bluerover]

The actual major battles will be over in days , the Russians dominate the air and have cut communication lines , even if they could move in an orderly manner the Ukraine army would be at the mercy of the Russian planes.
Only hope would be if enough ground to air missiles suddenly appeared in the next day or two, not likely.
If the Ukrainian forces are still fighting this time next week they will have done brilliantly
It's after that when it will get bleak .

It is sickening and frightening. What humans can do to one another.

 

[Zatara]

Those 'sanctions' are pathetic.

Biden is quite literally useless.

NATO are fools.

China and Iran must be watching this and planning their own invasions into peaceful 'allied' nations.

 

[Ruairi77]

Those 'sanctions' are pathetic.

Biden is quite literally useless.

NATO are fools.

China and Iran must be watching this and planning their own invasions into peaceful 'allied' nations.

US intelligence have called this every step of the way, and that’s just what the public know.
id imagine they are providing accurate and highly important info to the Ukrainian military.
Biden is a dothery old man who doesn’t inspire much confidence but he has very smart people around him and has handled this well so far. (Unlike afghan withdrawal)
sanctions will be a slow burn but they will be effective, particularly if the oligarchs get antsy.
NATO have shown the kind of restraint that avoids world wars. Not sure how that makes them foolish.

 

[riddick]

This is absolutely horrible. Now you know why we Finns have deep-water distrust agains Russia. Traditionally Finland hasnt been eager to join NATO but naturally now many feel that it is a must. Personally I think it's emotional reaction and isnt based in reality. Also if we would (suprisingly) ask to join NATO it could be big mistake. NATO option should have been taken way earlier. It's too late to scream when the s*** is in the kecks already.

What I find weird is that you now have this deep "distrust" of Russia but were balls deep on Trump who is literally a puppet for Russia.

 

[Ruairi77]

Uncle Earpiece thinks Ukraine is cow breed.

Wow, Putin on your doorstep and years supporting his puppets and you still can’t stop.
I hope nothing happens to Finland but I also hope you give up on these populist right wing goons.

 

[Zatara]

US intelligence have called this every step of the way, and that’s just what the public know.
id imagine they are providing accurate and highly important info to the Ukrainian military.
Biden is a dothery old man who doesn’t inspire much confidence but he has very smart people around him and has handled this well so far. (Unlike afghan withdrawal)
sanctions will be a slow burn but they will be effective, particularly if the oligarchs get antsy.
NATO have shown the kind of restraint that avoids world wars. Not sure how that makes them foolish.

Not sure why Oligarchs being penalised is going to somehow pressure Putin?

As far as I can see, the members of both the Duma and the Federation have not been targeted -- which are the bodies who can affect change.

Slowly processed sanctions leading to slow burning results means a lengthly impact on Russia. This is NOT going to change anything in the short-mid term which is precisely when results are required.

Showing "restraint" in the face of a tyrant is certainly NOT what should be the outcome following claims of 'supporting and standing by' Ukraine.

What I believe should have happened:

--Instant cut off from SWIFT

--All Russian non-resident accounts frozen across all NATO jurisdictions.

-- Legislation to cut ALL trade with Russia for the next 10 years (minimum) being called to a vote

-- All members of the Federation and the Duma who support this invasion are blacklisted from each NATO jurisdiction with accounts frozen for a specific time period. If they have not opposed the invasion by that point all offshore assets are seized.


These measures (or similar) should have been enforced.

At the moment its nothing more than a slap on the arse with a wet fish.

Truly pathetic.

 

[Efcjake]

The actual major battles will be over in days , the Russians dominate the air and have cut communication lines , even if they could move in an orderly manner the Ukraine army would be at the mercy of the Russian planes.
Only hope would be if enough ground to air missiles suddenly appeared in the next day or two, not likely.
If the Ukrainian forces are still fighting this time next week they will have done brilliantly
It's after that when it will get bleak .

From the sounds of what has happened they will have taken Kiev and most of the country by the weekend.

 

[Prevenger17]

This Russian wetwipe has turned the world so upside down that I agree with Zat

 

[Ruairi77]

Not sure why Oligarchs being penalised is going to somehow pressure Putin?

As far as I can see, the members of both the Duma and the Federation have not been targeted -- which are the bodies who can affect change.

Slowly processed sanctions leading to slow burning results means a lengthly impact on Russia. This is NOT going to change anything in the short-mid term which is precisely when results are required.

Showing "restraint" in the face of a tyrant is certainly NOT what should be the outcome following claims of 'supporting and standing by' Ukraine.

What I believe should have happened:

--Instant cut off from SWIFT

--All Russian non-resident accounts frozen across all NATO jurisdictions.

-- Legislation to cut ALL trade with Russia for the next 10 years (minimum) being called to a vote

-- All members of the Federation and the Duma who support this invasion are blacklisted from each NATO jurisdiction with accounts frozen for a specific time period. If they have not opposed the invasion by that point all offshore assets are seized.


These measures (or similar) should have been enforced.

At the moment its nothing more than a slap on the arse with a wet fish.

Truly pathetic.

It’s not as simple as that.
its not binary.
the Russian economy needs to be surgically hit rather than a slash and burn approach. Boot Russia out of SWIFT and you do serious harm to many other economies.
i think hitting powerful oligarchs would be far more effective than the duma who may as well be cardboard cutouts.

 

[Vintage]

So he'll attack the north from the north, the south from the south, and the middle through the middle?

A stroke of genius general Kev

If Michael Owen was a war correspondent lol