Current Affairs Ukraine

[Bruce Wayne]

TBF China relies on China not being economically insular too - I don't expect them to join the cavalcade of sanctions, but I also think they've got a big hold over Russia now given how Putin has just isolated them from the rest of the world.

Globalisation as it has been for the past twenty years is probably dead though, if not countries then blocs need to be self-sufficient where they can.

It's not so much about China joining in the sanctions as much as it is about China trying to insulate themselves from the kind of sanctions the west is imposing on Russia, which would enable them to do what they like in the future.

 

[tsubaki]

I think the First World War is really the outlier with just how HIGH the casualty numbers were. Soldiers weren’t dying on battlefields in those numbers before, and haven’t really since.

The wall along the front of Père Lachaise cemetery in Paris has the names of all the Parisians who died in the war. Walking along it, it seems to go on forever. It’s very similar to the American Vietnam Memorial in DC. The key difference being that the French one has the names of about 90k people from a single city in France that died in the span of four years, while the American one has about 60k names from the entire USA who died over the course of more than a decade. That’s just a staggering loss of life.

Was there last year, it is a very sobering monument and you are right about the scale of it; it’s not far off having a Metro station at each end.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Do you actually believe that those sanctions are part of a grand masterplan to "surgically hit" Russia?

I certainly dont. Putin is probably laughing at them.

Oligarchs are NOT going to be more effective than either the Federation or the Duma in pushing any narrative. They represent the actual people of Russia and of course alot will have bribes offshore -- that should be a target.

Have you not seen what happens to Oligarchs when they cross Putin lol

British sanctions don't go nearly far enough. Apparently only 2 on the list by Navalny which totals 35 are actually targeted by our sanctions... Moran liberals and Seddon Financial Times.

Navalny 35 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Looks like Putin and his chumocracy are more important than Ukaines sovereignty... Money talks in Britain!

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

https://youtu.be/gkHIQjIHX54

 

[PhilM]

It’s not been confirmed but a few OSNIT sources suggest it may be.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

There's a big Ukrainian expat community in Czech and the main bus station in Prague has a flotilla of buses taking people back in order to fight. It's a kind of bravery that puts us to shame.

 

[bluelife]

Thousands of young lives being thrown away by old men.

 

[tsubaki]

There's a big Ukrainian expat community in Czech and the main bus station in Prague has a flotilla of buses taking people back in order to fight. It's a kind of bravery that puts us to shame.

I don’t think that last bit is on - they are fighting for their country; God forbid that happened here we would see the same.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I don’t think that last bit is on - they are fighting for their country; God forbid that happened here we would see the same.

As the president there says, they're fighting on their own. We only put our military to use when there is oil to be found.

 

[tsubaki]

As the president there says, they're fighting on their own. We only put our military to use when there is oil to be found.

No we don’t (as shown by the troops on the Russian border) and if we were attacked you’d see the same sort of people wanting to defend it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I don’t think that last bit is on - they are fighting for their country; God forbid that happened here we would see the same.

And for the avoidance of doubt, we deride Brexiters for their "I'm alright Jack" attitude. We're doing exactly the same here. So long as we can enjoy our calm and peaceful life our governments won't lift a finger, because when push comes to shove, while we all say how terrible it is, we're not really giving a toss.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I don’t think that last bit is on - they are fighting for their country; God forbid that happened here we would see the same.

It's spot on. Really would not fight for the UK it disgusts me the duplicate amoral relationship this country has with anyone's money.

 

[tsubaki]

It's spot on. Really would not fight for the UK it disgusts me the duplicate amoral relationship this country has with anyone's money.

That is you, though. It isn’t everyone else.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That is you, though. It isn’t everyone else.

It's not about "fighting for your country", it's about fighting for what's right. All of this navel gazing in this thread but we don't really give a toss as it doesn't directly affect us. Maybe if it did we'd be pushing our government to do more than impose meaningless sanctions while leaving Ukraine to its fate.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

It's spot on. Really would not fight for the UK it disgusts me the duplicate amoral relationship this country has with anyone's money.

All that stuff is probably a little less of a concern when your neighbour, who inflicted a famine on you in living memory and opressed you for decades is rolling tanks down the motorways, however. It's an existential struggle at that point.