Current Affairs Ukraine

[Drico]

If Ukraine's goal was to give the Russian government popular support to level Kiev mate, then blowing up that bridge has likely done so, even normally pretty relaxed channels are demanding a very severe response. Not seen the reaction close to this strong before

Russia showing all the various footage is not gonna calm that down either.

P.S. If Russia doesn't respond with something big btw, it'll not go down well for Putin's support

Yes. I think people need to take a bit of a step back at this point. Anybody being triumphalist about this is, in my opinion, is either very confident Russia will not become even more extreme or they have a death wish. I hope their confidence is justified, because I fear Putin's bluff is now being called. He has a pretext now - if he ever needed it - to become even-more extreme.

I'm not certain that this attack today will have universal approval in the West, either. Crimea is not a cut-and-dried Ukrainian territory. It has always had a huge Russian population and only 54% of the territory voted for Ukrainian independence in 1991 - when almost every other oblast voted 80% or 90% +. I think today is the first serious example of Ukrainian overreach in this war. I'm not saying they are not entitled to fight to reclaim Crimea. I am saying that the rest of us in the West might not feel like we need to fight for it or support them on fighting for it given the obvious risks entailed in doing so.

We are now in incredibly dangerous times.

 

[JammyP]

Think that the idea of being captured by the Azov might prove stimulus to fight for their lives.

Shocking Evidence Of Ukrainian Regime’s Essence (Video 21+) (Updated)

More and more shocking facts that show the essence of the criminal Ukrainian regime are being revealed. The whole world...

southfront.org

Pure propoganda. War is rarely clean. But where is any reference to Russian crimes against civilians in occupied areas, let alone indiscriminate bombing and shelling and missile attacks. Let alone Russian treatment of prisoners.
This is vile @davids . Please - Don't share it without some objective critical awareness

 

[davids]

Pure propoganda. War is rarely clean. But where is any reference to Russian crimes against civilians in occupied areas, let alone indiscriminate bombing and shelling and missile attacks. Let alone Russian treatment of prisoners.
This is vile @davids . Don't share it without some objective critical awareness

So if you were a Russian conscript and had seen this ( I've a feeling it's been widely available in Russia to all their armed forces) you'd lay down your arms to Ukrainian forces?
But then maybe it's deep faked.?

 

[Drico]

Jeepers, this isn’t gonna end well at all.

I think Kyiv will be hit with something today.

I have a sense of dread now.

 

[DualityNSNO]

So if you were a Russian conscript and had seen this ( I've a feeling it's been widely available in Russia to all their armed forces) you'd lay down your arms to Ukrainian forces?
But then maybe it's deep faked.?

So if were a Ukrainian and saw the video Russians sent/spread of castrating a person with a switchblade you'd go "okay they are clearly peaceful, just give up"? Or the raiding of shops and beating of women, or the bombing of hospitals, etc.

But then maybe it's deep faked. ?

 

[davids]

Yes. I think people need to take a bit of a step back at this point. Anybody being triumphalist about this is, in my opinion, is either very confident Russia will not become even more extreme or they have a death wish. I hope their confidence is justified, because I fear Putin's bluff is now being called. He has a pretext now - if he ever needed it - to become even-more extreme.

I'm not certain that this attack today will have universal approval in the West, either. Crimea is not a cut-and-dried Ukrainian territory. It has always had a huge Russian population and only 54% of the territory voted for Ukrainian independence in 1991 - when almost every other oblast voted 80% or 90% +. I think today is the first serious example of Ukrainian overreach in this war. I'm not saying they are not entitled to fight to reclaim Crimea. I am saying that the rest of us in the West might not feel like we need to fight for it or support them on fighting for it given the obvious risks entailed in doing so.

We are now in incredibly dangerous times.

Very dangerous,but the usual posters will be giving it the ? all the way to a European nuclear desert.

 

[davids]

So if were a Ukrainian and saw the video Russians sent/spread of castrating a person with a switchblade you'd go "okay they are clearly peaceful, just give up"? Or the raiding of shops and beating of women, or the bombing of hospitals, etc.

But then maybe it's deep faked. ?

My post was in reply to a specific post. Nobody can deny both sides are involved in atrocities. Maybe time for a ceasefire perhaps?

 

[DualityNSNO]

My post was in reply to a specific post. Nobody can deny both sides are involved in atrocities. Maybe time for a ceasefire perhaps?

A ceasefire has never worked with Russia while the current dictator is still in charge, and never will. Honestly people who believe this will work are 10000000% delusional.

This ends in smoke and tears, matter of time to see for which side.

 

[McBain]

Think that the idea of being captured by the Azov might prove stimulus to fight for their lives.

Shocking Evidence Of Ukrainian Regime’s Essence (Video 21+) (Updated)

More and more shocking facts that show the essence of the criminal Ukrainian regime are being revealed. The whole world...

southfront.org

Have you read the comments to the link you’ve posted?

You should be banned.

 

[davids]

A ceasefire has never worked with Russia while the current dictator is still in charge, and never will. Honestly people who believe this will work are 10000000% delusional.

This ends in smoke and tears, matter of time to see for which side.

There was a ceasefire brokered by Turkey that Zelensky withdrew from after a chat with Boris Johnson. It's all there online fairly straightforward to find.

 

[davids]

Have you read the comments to the link you’ve posted?

You should be banned.

I didn't post any of those comments. The video was posted on this thread months ago. Keep up.
And nobody forced you to open the link.

 

[McBain]

I didn't post any of those comments. The video was posted on this thread months ago. Keep up.

Why post it again then?

Sick man.

 

[DualityNSNO]

There was a ceasefire brokered by Turkey that Zelensky withdrew from after a chat with Boris Johnson. It's all there online fairly straightforward to find.

Is it?
Imagine Germany (for example) comes up to England, takes land and slaughters folk up to London and says "okay we can ceasefire but we keep all your land". Do you agree?

It seems it's not, so please - source? Also Erdogan is on the same scale of being an utterly mad dictator as Putin - why are people trusting him? Screams of "oh no, Russia would never attack Ukraine, братушки!" just before Russia invaded.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Why post it again then?

Sick man.

Because he gets off on it. That’s his thing

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It's being born in Dublin that does that.

So Russia invade Ukraine and seize their land = Ukraine should accept their lands being occupied.

England invade Ireland and seize their land = Ireland should accept their lands being occupied.

Is that how it is?