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[DualityNSNO]

So Russia invade Ukraine and seize their land = Ukraine should accept their lands being occupied.

England invade Ireland and seize their land = Ireland should accept their lands being occupied.

Is that how it is?

Yeah it just makes sense. BeCaUsE HiStOrIcALlY....

 

[davids]

A ceasefire has never worked with Russia while the current dictator is still in charge, and never will. Honestly people who believe this will work are 10000000% delusional.

This ends in smoke and tears, matter of time to see for which side.

TRT World - Cavusoglu: Ukraine-Russia ceasefire will happen through Türkiye's efforts

Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu says "Türkiye is a source of hope for peace" between Ukraine and Russia, and the international community knows that a ceasefire will happen "via Türkiye's efforts."

www.trtworld.com

"However, the countries in "favour of a war" must also be "convinced for peace" because "everyone is paying the price of this war," he added".

 

[davids]

Why post it again then?

Sick man.

As previously stated it was in answer to a previous post that suggested Russian conscripts would freely lay down arms if they were hungry. Which I highly doubt given what Azov do to those who have previously.

 

[tsubaki]

Is it?
Imagine Germany (for example) comes up to England, takes land and slaughters folk up to London and says "okay we can ceasefire but we keep all your land". Do you agree?

It seems it's not, so please - source? Also Erdogan is on the same scale of being an utterly mad dictator as Putin - why are people trusting him? Screams of "oh no, Russia would never attack Ukraine, братушки!" just before Russia invaded.

This argument misses the point though - that is how most wars start and end. It isn't fair, legal or whatever but to prevent greater damage to the state it is entirely sensible for the "losing" side to accept a bad peace. Not every situation is like Munich.

In terms of the source, that would probably be Fiona Hill's article in foreignaffairs - she does know what she is talking about, and the refusal of the media here to pick up on it might tell you how true it is (certainly there is a big coincidence in timing).

 

[McBain]

As previously stated it was in answer to a previous post that suggested Russian conscripts would freely lay down arms if they were hungry. Which I highly doubt given what Azov do to those who have previously.

Oh look, links to fake videos. What a skidmark you are.

FAKE: «Azov» Fighters crucified and burned alive the fighter of so-called «DNR»

It is video-staging; it was published in 2015 by group of pro-russian hackers systematically spread fakes about Ukraine.

voxukraine.org

 

[davids]

So Russia invade Ukraine and seize their land = Ukraine should accept their lands being occupied.

England invade Ireland and seize their land = Ireland should accept their lands being occupied.

Is that how it is?

God you are dumb. It was in answer to a poster who suggested that I had nationalistic ties to Russia. Maybe get back to slavering over Twitter footage of death and destruction?

 

[The binman chronicles]

So Russia invade Ukraine and seize their land = Ukraine should accept their lands being occupied.

England invade Ireland and seize their land = Ireland should accept their lands being occupied.

Is that how it is?

Seeing this is now correct procedure I've just knocked down the neighbours fence put up my own encompassing my new territory and I'm calling for a ceasefire and an end to the hostility.

I'll keep the land though of course.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

God you are dumb. It was in answer to a poster who suggested that I had nationalistic ties to Russia. Maybe get back to slavering over Twitter footage of death and destruction?

No answer then. I think we can all understand your position. ?

 

[davids]

Is it?
Imagine Germany (for example) comes up to England, takes land and slaughters folk up to London and says "okay we can ceasefire but we keep all your land". Do you agree?

It seems it's not, so please - source? Also Erdogan is on the same scale of being an utterly mad dictator as Putin - why are people trusting him? Screams of "oh no, Russia would never attack Ukraine, братушки!" just before Russia invaded.

And yet Erdogan got the Russians to open up the opportunity of Ukrainian grain being exported.

 

[davids]

No answer then. I think we can all understand your position. ?

You do keep me laughing in what is increasingly looking like the build up to nuclear Armageddon.

 

[DualityNSNO]

TRT World - Cavusoglu: Ukraine-Russia ceasefire will happen through Türkiye's efforts

Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu says "Türkiye is a source of hope for peace" between Ukraine and Russia, and the international community knows that a ceasefire will happen "via Türkiye's efforts."

www.trtworld.com

"However, the countries in "favour of a war" must also be "convinced for peace" because "everyone is paying the price of this war," he added".

Yeah the whole article is, however, how great Erdogan is and how great Turkey are doing in this argument.

Putin and Erdogan are two faces of the same coin; their cronies are the same; they say the same crap.

Hopefully we won't reach a war for this to be made obvious.

 

[DualityNSNO]

And yet Erdogan got the Russians to open up the opportunity of Ukrainian grain being exported.

He also funneled/helped funnel Russian gas to Eastern Europe, so he is losing money from this war.

He is not a charitable person, and neither is Putin.

 

[tsubaki]

And yet Erdogan got the Russians to open up the opportunity of Ukrainian grain being exported.

there have been several prisoner swaps too

I am not a fan of his at all but he (and the Pope fwiw) are entirely right to demand that diplomacy keeps happening - any nonsense like the annexations or Zelensky's idiotic decree banning himself from negotiating with Putin has to stop and talking begin. The maximalist demands on both sides are just excuses to prevent better ideas emerging.

 

[DualityNSNO]

This argument misses the point though - that is how most wars start and end. It isn't fair, legal or whatever but to prevent greater damage to the state it is entirely sensible for the "losing" side to accept a bad peace. Not every situation is like Munich.

In terms of the source, that would probably be Fiona Hill's article in foreignaffairs - she does know what she is talking about, and the refusal of the media here to pick up on it might tell you how true it is (certainly there is a big coincidence in timing).

Yeah, I'm using a very crude example for obvious reasons, it's clear why it's not the same, but it should also be clear why Ukraine wouldn't want to just roll over and give up and give all of their territory to an oppressive regime (because this will happen if they do - it won't be "the current territories", it will be "all territories").

Paywalled in FA, and it wasn't even that article. If you have a copy/paste of the full one I'd read it gladly.

Also:

Seeing this is now correct procedure I've just knocked down the neighbours fence put up my own encompassing my new territory and I'm calling for a ceasefire and an end to the hostility.

I'll keep the land though of course.

 

[davids]

He also funneled/helped funnel Russian gas to Eastern Europe, so he is losing money from this war.

He is not a charitable person, and neither is Putin.

Nobody suggested they are. Zelensky and his Cayman Islands bank accounts suggest he isn't too charitable either.