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[Cardano]

Cameron has caused the biggest and worst home policy decisions the country is in a complete mess. He should be held more accountable.

My head says he deserves to go down in history as the most catastrophic PM ever who arrogantly seriously damaged his country.

My heart says, Burn Him!

 

[edge]

What would you honestly prefer? An MP who acts according to what he/she or somebody else interprets is the ‘will’ of the people at any given time?

Or an MP who has publicly declared the values and beliefs that guide them and uses those, along with their judgement and experience to make decisions on what they judge are the best interests of the community?

Two pronged one to be honest mate, we cant realistically know how any given person will react in future circumstances so generally vote on what there party line is at the time of voting as we have no other points of reference other than a brief outline sketch of the prospective MP in a leaflet normally.
I could tell you next to nothing about my local mp other than his name and possibly his voting history if I wanted to dig further.
So it's mostly down to what their party stands for at that given time, not the person, which we only know a brief scetch of generally
The voter should realistically have the basic right to be given what he was sold at the outset if he or she voted say lib you would expect there chosen mp to broadly follow that line of thought, not get in then go off on a personal tangent.
If they have stated prior to getting a seat a particular standpoint fine , you know what your getting .
If they follow a party line at the outset, then decide to differ from it dramatically it's not really honorable to continue to stand in contradiction of the people who put you in a position .
My feeling is they should go back to them and see if they can convince them of their argument.
These people lose all legitimacy in my eyes. If they take the cowards way out and just carry on in defiance of the constituency wishes.
We have seen mp's leave one party, jump into a new one and then yet another without once standing for public scrutiny .
The original voters have rejected those parties originally , and have chosen a particular party as their preferred standpoint, now due to actions out of there control
now leaves them faced with one or the other representing them after they have rejecting them in the first place,
I vote Labour for instance ,
If my Mp fell out with the party stance.
I would feel a little bit fed up if he skipped onto the Libs then to say the Tories and he then said, I think it's for your good.
Basically I agree with you an mp should possess basic honesty ,in there makeup as a starting point at least,
But Trust must be a part of it as well, that has took a hammering the last parliament.
If I buy a tin of beans i don't expect to end up with a tin of spinach because somebody thinks it's better for me , even if I dont like the flavour of it.
Being a bit daft at the end there ,but got fed up writing hope you get my drift, takes me ages writing due to my grammar skills or lack of them I should say.

 

[Cardano]

Two pronged one to be honest mate, we cant realistically know how any given person will react in future circumstances so generally vote on what there party line is at the time of voting as we have no other points of reference other than a brief outline sketch of the prospective MP in a leaflet normally.
I could tell you next to nothing about my local mp other than his name and possibly his voting history if I wanted to dig further.
So it's mostly down to what their party stands for at that given time, not the person, which we only know a brief scetch of generally
The voter should realistically have the basic right to be given what he was sold at the outset if he or she voted say lib you would expect there chosen mp to broadly follow that line of thought, not get in then go off on a personal tangent.
If they have stated prior to getting a seat a particular standpoint fine , you know what your getting .
If they follow a party line at the outset, then decide to differ from it dramatically it's not really honorable to continue to stand in contradiction of the people who put you in a position .
My feeling is they should go back to them and see if they can convince them of their argument.
These people lose all legitimacy in my eyes. If they take the cowards way out and just carry on in defiance of the constituency wishes.
We have seen mp's leave one party, jump into a new one and then yet another without once standing for public scrutiny .
The original voters have rejected those parties originally , and have chosen a particular party as their preferred standpoint, now due to actions out of there control
now leaves them faced with one or the other representing them after they have rejecting them in the first place,
I vote Labour for instance ,
If my Mp fell out with the party stance.
I would feel a little bit fed up if he skipped onto the Libs then to say the Tories and he then said, I think it's for your good.
Basically I agree with you an mp should possess basic honesty ,in there makeup as a starting point at least,
But Trust must be a part of it as well, that has took a hammering the last parliament.
If I buy a tin of beans i don't expect to end up with a tin of spinach because somebody thinks it's better for me , even if I dont like the flavour of it.
Being a bit daft at the end there ,but got fed up writing hope you get my drift, takes me ages writing due to my grammar skills or lack of them I should say.

Haha I think I got your point mate

Now switching parties is obviously rare, and I agree with you that I would take a dim view and if an MP switched parties I think they should definitely put themselves forward for re-election.

I don’t think that conflicts with the point I was making though.

When I say you trust an MP based on the values and beliefs they’ve put forward, I do mean that would generally be based on the party. That’s how I look at an MPs value.

If somebody is standing for election under the banner of the Labour Party then I assume they hold values which include a commitment to justice and equality and compassion for the most vulnerable etc etc. So I’m then happy for them to take decisions and vote on issues on my behalf in line with their values.

Anybody who switches party after election is obviously suddenly announcing that they have different values and beliefs. Which I think should be treated with suspicion and they should definitely go before the public again.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

sbt

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Not really, it leads to weak government and permanent compromise. I’d rather a government that gets on with what they promised and deliver it.....

And there was me thinking this would be a good thing in modern politics .

 

[PSB1]

sbt

But not in the six counties where the politics of the left are the new ascendency. And, dare I say it, thanks be to Christ for that.

 

[bol-uk]

So are my children....

You don’t look your age Pete

 

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[evilwebby]

Cameron has caused the biggest and worst home policy decisions the country is in a complete mess. He should be held more accountable.

His 2015 manifesto pledge to hold an EU referendum was, it turns out, the catalyst for completely redefining the political landscape. Casualties on both sides have been high as the battle lines have been redrawn, not least of all costing him his own premiership when he colossally underestimated its importance.

Politics is always moving, never constant. Voters’ allegiances can never be taken for granted. Those seeking to govern us must evolve to remain relevant to the mood and needs those they seek to govern. That is democracy.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

How old do people have to be to be labelled "old"? 80? 70? 60? 50? 40? 30? Older than you?

I've they've voted Tory they've obviously lost their marbles so I'd say that's when you are too old.

 

[evilwebby]

BTW, those people point out that only 47% of people vote for a "Leave" party... also need to accept that by the same logic, a mere 21% voted for a "Remain" party as the Corbyn/Labour position was all things to all people, ie neutral

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

And we also have freedom of speech Chris.

Fair play to them I say, a wet cold night in December and they are out protesting, it will make the French sit up and take notice!

 

[arminisgod]

Well if I was in the Labour Party power brokers, I would suggest that instead of making the assumption that "The Media" meant we didnt win, and then all violently agree that we are right and everyone else is wrong/stupid, perhaps actually ask folk in Burnley and the NE why they turned off Labour.

Johnson is already saying thanks for being loaned their votes, and quite nicely saying he will do his best to repay their gift.

It does a huge disservice to people to suggest that they only voted one way or another cos of what they read.

Being from Burnley I can answer that for you.
The labour mp let the ton don over their brexit vote.
People had no appetite for Corbyn or his manifesto

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

100%. PR is much more democratic. Every vote counts even in constituencies where one candidate is a cert to top the poll.

How long is the UK going to continue with a situation where 100% of the people are governed by around 40% of those who voted ? Labour should have introduced it when they were in government because the tories never will.

Because it worked for them at the time?

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Cameron has caused the biggest and worst home policy decisions the country is in a complete mess. He should be held more accountable.

Yep, I’ve always felt Cameron has got off lightly when he was in power. Him thinking that the remain vote was going to piss the referendum was arrogance of the highest order, and just showed how out of touch he was.