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[peteblue]

Given the societal mess that’s been self inflicted on GB I would argue that a better consensus vote is at least a starting point.

Not really, it leads to weak government and permanent compromise. I’d rather a government that gets on with what they promised and deliver it.....

 

[Kirkles]

Not really, it leads to weak government and permanent compromise. I’d rather a government that gets on with what they promised and deliver it.....

Israel has it , are they a weak government ?

 

[random]

We need proportional representation , the system is a joke.

Thought of that already, not much support for it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum

 

[peteblue]

Israel has it , are they a weak government ?

is it a government you admire ?....

 

[bol-uk]

Not really, it leads to weak government and permanent compromise. I’d rather a government that gets on with what they promised and deliver it.....

Social injustice?

 

[Kirkles]

Thought of that already, not much support for it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum

I have a feeling results would be very different if they asked that again now , no public demand at the time and the turnout was very low.

 

[Kirkles]

is it a government you admire ?....

Well you said it leads to weak governments .. ?

 

[peteblue]

Social injustice?

If only Labour could win an election.....

 

[peteblue]

Well you said it leads to weak governments .. ?

I asked you if it was a government you admire ......

 

[Kirkles]

I asked you if it was a government you admire ......

You haven't answered my question though

 

[bol-uk]

If only Labour could only win an election.....

Indeed
I look forward to 5 years of "I told you so moments" which unfortunately, will be on the back of more injustice.

 

[random]

I have a feeling results would be very different if they asked that again now

Seem to hear that a lot when it comes to referendums in this country

 

[catcherintherye]

So by your lofty standards, no one questions what they read or watch, consume everything as fact, and act like a puppet for said media outlet? Thats the point I am making. If Labour think they lost this election cos of the media, well, if it suits you then fine. I would suggest they ask folk who voted against them instead of assuming.

There are always two positions on this and both are right. The first is to say there is a wide range of media, and people critically engage with it. The other is, if it had no impact, it wouldn't be utilised.

I think it has an overated impact but an impact none the less.

Liverpool is a really interesting example, because the sorts of people who are turning from Labour elsewhere, in seats half an hour up the road, just don't. There is a loyalty and a support for Labour and Corbyn that isn't in existence. You saw it when Tommy Robinson came, and was bounced out really. I think the Sun in particular has a corrosive impact upon people, in a lot of ways at a subliminal level.

I think whats more important though, is what went alongside the Sun being removed. It wasn't about a negative message, but really quite a positive, and simple narrative that went alongside it. In the first instance about what they wrote about Hillsborough, then on the anniversary of Hillsborough having a pop at the other football club, a local star player and women in the city. It was an open goal that we were able to craft a clear narrative they don't like us. In a lot of ways, that is as important as a banning or a boycott, the conversations that go alongside it.

On the wider point the media didn't cost Labour the election, at least not anymore than other elections. Labour will always get a hard time from the press. It's our job to navigate that. We didn't do that well enough. There are a mixture of long, medium and short term problems that came together.

 

[peteblue]

Indeed
I look forward to 5 years of "I told you so moments" which unfortunately, will be on the back of more injustice.

Probably at least ten and maybe twenty years.....

 

[bol-uk]

Probably at least ten and maybe twenty years.....

True

Just need all the old people to hurry up and die