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[roydo]

@roydo, would be interested on your take

Why is there an argument between media manufacturing consent and the disconnect by people from the Labour party?
Both happened.

For me, the point of contention is - is the reasons for the legitimate backlash by people against the LP solved by Brexit.

What I see is Johnson rubbing his hands with joy at the prospect of negotiating all the trade deals, then running over to Cameron's place in his school blazer and boasting that he is going to achieve for the elite in this country what Davey baby never could.

Do people really understand what these trades deals represent?
Do people who voted for the Tories really think the trade deals will be in their interests. Things like workers rights and conditions, privatising parts of the public service etc will all be tied up in them.
This I just didn't get?
The directing and swaying of opinion has to have played a significant role since the referendum was announced.

Imo, whether Britain is part of the EU or not doesn't matter much. Its whose got hold of the reins that does.
What is the real link between Brexit and labour voters discontent - i've never really got it (I live in Ireland)

My point was that the media seem to be THE reason why supporters of Corbyn reckon he lost.

I think they overplay the impact said media have, and do a disservice to their potential voters.

 

[Milkman]

Pretty obvious that a lot of people treated this election like a second EU referendum. The Tories hammered the idea of 'getting brexit done' while Labour took a neutral stance and promised a 2nd ref which wasn't popular with people in Labour leave constituencies. I really do think the Labour party took this for granted and didn't expect such a turn from the coalfield/post industrial constituencies in the North.

Yeah, definitely. Although I suspect that the leadership and those around them knew this to be the case.

What's certain is how much influence the liberal People's Vote commentariat had over them in pushing Labour into this second referendum position. In the end, it was a fudge to try and appease everyone, but with hindsight, they probably should've backed Theresa May's deal and let the Tories own the backlash.

 

[Billy Dean]

has yours?

Read the message you quoted. I said probably loads. Which is the case for all of us.

 

[Brisan123]

It's absolutely mad how people in these sorts of areas have been conned into thinking that the Tory party and Brexit is the answer to their problems.

Rule Britannia
Lets take our borders back
We will put the Great back into Great Britain
British jobs for British people
Scottish fish for British people
And my personal favourite
I want my blue passport.
I am afraid Britain is going down a very dark and dangerous road and within 10 years the Scots and Irish will leave the union and the bigots and racists will have their day

 

[efcste97]

in all seriousness, you're one of the best posters on the site, you provide an essential service to the good citizens of GOT.


If Leavers were serious, they would've voted LibDem in their droves. In the end, the Libs disappointed, their leader resigned, and Labour, promising a 2nd ref at least, bagged almost 3 million less voters than the Tories.

Brexit was a factor, yes, but not the only one. People generally aren't stupid, they know they were also voting for domestic policies.

Do you mean remainers? Leavers would never vote for a party who's brexit policy was to revoke article 50 and cancel brexit.

 

[roydo]

I mean, part of the problem is that you don’t realise it’s happening. Some people read the news and they just think it’s the news, a reporting of facts. They don’t realise it’s just the news that this particular paper has decided to report, or that it’s been written from a particular angle, they believe they’re just catching up on current affairs.

Have you never watched match of the day or read a match report of a game you watched live, and thought ‘that’s not how it went’? You must have. But you only know that’s not how it went because you saw it, anyone else who sees match of the day or reads that report will take it at face value. It’s exactly the same here.

So by your lofty standards, no one questions what they read or watch, consume everything as fact, and act like a puppet for said media outlet? Thats the point I am making. If Labour think they lost this election cos of the media, well, if it suits you then fine. I would suggest they ask folk who voted against them instead of assuming.

 

[Cardano]

My point was that the media seem to be THE reason why supporters of Corbyn reckon he lost.

I think they overplay the impact said media have, and do a disservice to their potential voters.

Although I’m definitely not one of those Momentum types who pathologically hate the ‘MSM’ and believe it’s all a conspiracy, I do think they have a point to be fair in that it does seem to me that there has been a clear campaign of vilification if Corbyn, painting absolutely everything he has done and said in the worst possible light and exaggerating some of his positions to the point of incredulity.

And I do think it’s fair to say that it has rubbed off on the public when so many of them readily admit to ‘disliking’ Corbyn as an individual, despite never having met him and him, rationally speaking, would seem to posses a lot of qualities that should predispose people towards liking someone (peace-nic, mild-mannered, opposed to injustice etc etc).

 

[Billy Dean]

So by your lofty standards, no one questions what they read or watch, consume everything as fact, and act like a puppet for said media outlet? Thats the point I am making. If Labour think they lost this election cos of the media, well, if it suits you then fine. I would suggest they ask folk who voted against them instead of assuming.

It's definitely over the top to blame that defeat on the media. But it played it's part, as it has done in every election.

 

[Brisan123]

What a stupid post

Looking at who posted it I am amazed you seem a bit shocked

 

[Brisan123]

Why is Liverpool very pro Labour out of curiosity?

if you know your history and a few dockers

 

[the sniderman]

My point was that the media seem to be THE reason why supporters of Corbyn reckon he lost.

I think they overplay the impact said media have, and do a disservice to their potential voters.

was u no supporter of corbyn mr do??

 

[roydo]

Although I’m definitely not one of those Momentum types who pathologically hate the ‘MSM’ and believe it’s all a conspiracy, I do think they have a point to be fair in that it does seem to me that there has been a clear campaign of vilification if Corbyn, painting absolutely everything he has done and said in the worst possible light and exaggerating some of his positions to the point of incredulity.

And I do think it’s fair to say that it has rubbed off on the public when so many of them readily admit to ‘disliking’ Corbyn as an individual, despite never having met him and him, rationally speaking, would seem to posses a lot of qualities that should predispose people towards liking someone (peace-nic, mild-mannered, opposed to injustice etc etc).

I agree that he doesnt come over well in interviews. Hardly the medias fault.

For the record, I buy the Telegraph, for the crossword, and the sport. Occasionally I will browse the actual paper, and just dismiss the comments and leader as porridge. I will judge Corbyn and his chancellor on what I see and hear. And they have both been rank.

 

[dholliday]

Do you mean remainers? Leavers would never vote for a party who's brexit policy was to revoke article 50 and cancel brexit.

oh yeah...haha brainfart moment

 

[dholliday]

I am afraid Britain is going down a very dark and dangerous road and within 10 years the Scots and Irish will leave the union and the bigots and racists will have their day

and another one

 

[Brisan123]

and another one

PARDON ?????